Episode 234 - LIVE from the Climb it for Climate Trail Run

[00:00:29] The Bushwhacks were some of the worst days I've ever had in the mountains, or life really Whereas Pantsy Mountain is totally opposite, it's a mountain on top of a crater I think the weather challenges on this incident were particularly difficult It is really the development of New York State, Catskills will respond to it

[00:00:52] Passing into Inside The Line, the Catskill Mountains Podcast So, live here at the Climate for Climate Event, Bel Air Ski Center, run by the state Surprised they let them do this actually, this is really here, so Tad's right here next to me

[00:01:21] And the bell just rang, I don't know if you can hear that, so... Six... The runners look excited! Four... Three... Two... One... And they're off, so... Yeah, so now they're off... I see a couple... There's a woman in white shorts in the lead, followed by some guy in red pants There's a guy in a blue shirt closing in... And they're all in a bunch right now, we don't know who's going We got our friends Val and Dan in the pack

[00:01:51] Amy is... I think Amy took off as well, there's some late arrivers here, but... So, welcome... They better hurry... Welcome to episode 234, did I get that right? 234... 234... 235... Who's counting? Obviously not us... Who's counting? Live at the Climate for Climate Event on Bel Air Mountain Ski Center The state is here, gonna shut us down probably soon, saying that they don't like the D.C. New York State doesn't like us, so... But, wanna give a big shout out to Amy from The Running Kind for putting this together, bringing us up here

[00:02:20] We have a grand old tent right here, just displaying us on massive display, right in front of everybody Yeah, they got some equipment reps here, and a lot of really, really fit people walking around That is correct Speaking of fit, I gotta... I got a student of these things open By a student of the privation of the morning Yeah, beautiful morning, beautiful drive-in And so we have a woman coming over here with the baby in a stroller Maybe we can interview the baby Maybe the baby will be like the Indian who's got a Morocco

[00:02:50] Intellectual level Hold on, let's see if this is gonna... 8... What time is it? 8.31, cracked it open It's legal 8.30 is the... Oh, that's so good Hudson North Big Apple So, Climate for Climate, we're here Zero Run Carbon Event Meaning that they take into account the emissions released in relation to hosting this race They will... The Running Kind Amy's little organization

[00:03:18] Will be subsidizing the cost to offset the event However, there will be an extra dollar added to your registration specifically for the cost That dollar will offset the carbon emissions for your personal travel to and from the event And they partnered with Native Energy to offset a carbon Also, they have sponsors for the race Hoka Sealy Athletics Who gives a crap? Which we have their toilet paper right here Tad is gonna test it out Oh yeah, alright Later Let me just... Be right back

[00:03:46] ...put down my pants and get ready It says, Ply it forward You can get it customized for birthdays, anniversaries Congratulations on getting the house Welcome to the fold 50% of profits donated Doesn't say where Helps reduce deforestation Apparently it's made with 100% bamboo Who gives a crap? Toilet paper

[00:04:15] And best day brewing But I haven't seen any brew here but ours So... It's kinda disappointing So... Eh... Whatever... Like good... Best day brewing Good to have everybody here So... What else do we talk about? So the route... Ted... We were checking out the routes It's pretty fun and tricky So you are from... It looks like it's uphill and downhill That's the route That is the route in the beginning Oh, okay And then it goes uphill and then back downhill Oh, I see I see

[00:04:44] So they start up They... At the... The lower gondola And they start up the Roaring Brook Trail They take a left Back onto... What is that? That's not Dry Brook No... Does that have a trail name? Yeah, that would be the trail proper I think it's the Pine Hill something trail That runs towards Balsam East Branch? The East Branch? It says Bel Air Ridge on the map Yeah So they go up, take a left on that

[00:05:11] When they hit the junction for the Rider Hollow Balsam Mountain They take a right Go all the way down to the parking lot on Rider Hollow Up the other side of Rider of Balsam I forgot the proper trail name for that This looks like... Past the lean-to? Yeah, past the lean-to They keep a right on that And then they get all the way up to... Then they go all the way back down to McKinley Back up McKinley Take a right at the junction

[00:05:41] Go up Balsam And then go back down off of the Deer Run Trail When they hit the junction They go down the Deer Run Trail Which is just regularly a road Going up to the access road To the top of the Bel Air Mountain And then they finish back down here at Bel Air And then a girl just started running It looks like... I thought she was naked Sorry That was weird But... 18 miles 16.2 miles 5,344 feet of elevation gain Not bad

[00:06:10] Yeah, well I'll tell you from the looks of it All these people look really really fit And capable of doing this Other than... How do you think with the lack of fabric Covering their bodies Right? How are they going to do down in McKinley Hollow With the nettles? Oh... Yeah, they said they went out last night And did some trail maintenance So... Nettle whacking That's disappointing Because that would have probably been The highlight of the day

[00:06:39] Of some of these people coming from Not a place familiar than here And then hitting those nettles Like what the hell's burning on my legs? Makes them run faster But... They jump in the water down it More than just the pain of running Yeah It's the pain of the nettles What else do we got going on? So... Yeah, so... Some stats for the race Of course 25k is 15 miles 8k Which our buddy Todd Bold Is going to be doing the 8k hike

[00:07:08] In a couple... In an hour or a few He's going to be doing that 5 miles 1400 feet of gain in descent There is a top male Female Non-binary Race finisher Pin for all finishers And Hoka Is sponsoring shoes For the top female Male And non-binary Of the 25k So course records Ted 2 hours and 43 minutes for male Yeah Sounds about right Sounds about right Was it 18 miles you said?

[00:07:37] 16.2 Oh, okay Well that's... Yeah, that's... I would have thought then 22 hours and 40 minutes That would have been me 243 Yeah, yeah And then it's Todd right here What has he got? I don't know if he can... You can hear him on this though But Todd's getting ready to bring over some stuff But female was 2.58 2 hours, 58 minutes 12 seconds And I don't think they had a non-binary winner left And just showed up with some Bread in a can

[00:08:06] We got some Probably This is from Beacon Aradox and wrench Really? Hazy IPA From Beacon I hope once again I'm going to post a photo of these Oh Oh nice What a good guy I had to drink warm ones That's alright He didn't know He didn't know if he were coming then Alright I appreciate it Well this... Anybody else shows up Bring me an IPA or... Do you need me to open that buddy? Nice now, Todd That's good These are pretty fresh

[00:08:36] Todd, tell us I mean hopefully you can hear us out there But what do you got for us today? We got a little Hudson North Seder Donut Oh Some North Seder Donut for Stosh And some industrial arts And some Paradox Brewery IPAs for Tad So... Nice Nice Good to have you here Good luck on the race man Run, race, whatever Thanks Todd Todd has got like 300,000 other people competing against him But I think he's going to win it Yeah

[00:09:06] He's got like a backpack, cooler You can put yours on ice if you want Where's the hibachi? I got a bunch of stuff here too This is quality ice guys You know where this is from, right? Oh my god Crystals Stewart's Ice Sparkling Catskill Crystal Ice If it was If it wasn't taken from the reservoir Because the DEC would have regulated that Well there you go I don't know, yeah Yeah, there's still people showing up for the later events Yeah, that's good People People over there at the

[00:09:35] Manufacturer rep booths Checking out stuff And we got Todd Bolt here supplying us with mind enhancing fluids Oh yeah Also they will be collecting monetary donations for the Catskill Center Forgot about that I forgot to bring my I thought there was supposed to be a shoe donation here going on But I forgot to bring my massive 30 pound bags of horrible Or shoes that they could make in the donation So other than that

[00:10:06] Todd and Tad here We're going to talk about some rescues I guess Tad was nice enough to print this off And talk about some good old rescues So August 5th 7.05pm In Denning Town of Denning Ranger Horn responded to Peekamoo's trail for nine subjects who were lost This was going all over the internet It didn't have any flashlights or headlamps So it's 7.05 Sunset I believe right now on my watch It says 7.59pm

[00:10:34] So they were 45 minutes away from sunset When they reached the summit of Peekamoo's Mountain They became confused and descended the trail that leads to Peekamoo's Road parking area Instead of Denning The group was not equipped with any kind of map And Ranger Horn reached them via cell phone to tell them to continue descending Horn met them on the trail and hiked to them To his vehicle Had them hike to his vehicle Ranger drove to the group leader to the YMCA Who was helping the group from another camp To meet the rest of the group

[00:11:02] And organized a shuttle to get them all back to the correct parking area Last hikers reached the parking area at 10.05 So it wasn't a crazy rescue but still It was a crazy night In the Catskills I mean, if they got lost or disorientated on the top of Peekamoo's How did they make it that far? That's a very How did they find themselves? They started at Denning How did they actually manage, allegedly without a map

[00:11:30] To get as far as they did? Just the trail signage? Is what got them as far as they did? If there is any Is there any trail signage still there? That's probably decaying I mean, when you have the turn to go across the East Branch There's signage there But then it I think that's really the last sign that you run into You have to follow the trail markings Good point Now, if you saw

[00:11:57] Remember, Kelsey posted that one thing about 60 Registered 60 hikers at the Denning Trailhead Oh, yeah Was Do you think this was that part? Because then it said they had a shuttle and stuff And I can see the YMCA with their kids and stuff Well, I think the shuttle refers to getting them back from Peekamoo's road Back to Denning where they started from True I remember How is it you think that they ended up at Peekamoo's road and not back where they started from?

[00:12:27] Yeah, it's interesting Where'd they make the wrong turn? Ooh There is no turns, right? Well, I think my supposition is They got to the summit Then they went over to check out the viewpoint Hung out there for a while Walked back to the trail And then they went left instead of right Yeah Does that make sense? Yeah Yeah That's really fun You know, so they reached the Peekamoo Summit

[00:12:56] And you know, it's funny you talk about a viewpoint I don't think the viewpoint's very diminished up there So they probably didn't view that Were pissed and then just took a left And got the hell out of there But So how is it you had nine people None of them had a cell phone? Yeah With any type of mapping on it? Correct And I thought they said there was a part of a bigger map or bigger group, right? Yeah, they were part of a larger group But so the nine

[00:13:23] The nine who were part of a larger group Started at the Denning Trailhead Where did they separate from the larger group? Did the larger group turn back at table? Huh Yeah Very very This is what we love about these DEC Ranger Rescue reports They don't tell us very much I mean, we know, we know, we know horn kicked ass once again Yeah

[00:13:51] You know, he's, but then once again, like what, what did we It says hike with the ten essentials at the end Yeah Yeah, we kind of know that I mean, but like And know how to use them Just don't have them with you You actually should know how to use the essentials Yeah I remember, you know, it really I really love seeing the New Hampshire search and rescue stuff Where they explain every damn thing that happened What was wrong, what was right, what they did wrong, what they did right

[00:14:19] And then at the end explain what they should do to kind of like counter what happened, what went wrong So this is just like they were lost, they were found Yeah They were recovered, you know, it's fine Do you think this fellow with the hand cart is doing one of the events today? Uh, he's security Oh, he's security He said you see that M16 on his back and the grenade launcher Yeah, oh, that's yeah, he's on mountain lion patrol Oh, there we go I'm with you

[00:14:47] Amy, we see Amy walking by right there She's looking at the map of mountain lions that they placed on the trail to get the runners a little bit faster So they can finish sooner We got Todd bold walking around It's so good It's pre-race Live is so much fun There's so much vibe going on, you know It's great

[00:15:19] It's great The original coordinates provided were incorrect The subject from Brooklyn were actually on loan mountain What the The Chevron This is a whole different area The Chevron search team also looked at the Located hikers Rangers and the search rescue team assisted the hikers back to the trailhead The incident was clear at 830 Interesting Did you hear this one before? No Isn't that crazy? They think they're on eagle But they're actually on loan

[00:15:48] How can that be? How does that come about? Were they abducted by aliens and transported from eagle to loan? How did they get to eagle or how did they get to loan? I'm at a loss for words Yeah, if they If they were that clueless and thought they were on eagle They were intending to go to eagle But ended up on the loan? Where did they start from? That is one hell of a hike Yeah That's one hell of a What the fuck happened? And the DEC

[00:16:18] Like again, this is a You know, a A three sentence report And those in the know on On Catskill hiking Want to know How is it you could possibly end up on loan When you intended to go to eagle? Yeah Unexplainable Unexplainable But uh I've never heard of number one I'm sorry It's uh This ranger gorilla And uh Priests have never heard of them And the shavarim search and rescue team I've never heard of them either

[00:16:47] So it's Very interesting I mean it happened at 440pm and ended 830 So that's good Especially on loan You think it would take a little bit longer rescue Pretty quick And how the hell did they determine Where he were like Hey, you know Take a look around What do you see? I see a couple trees They went by Presumably by the phone coordinates Oh yes Yes Do you get service on loan? If you go to the southern side Yes You can get some at the viewpoint Okay One of the few viewpoints that exist Yeah

[00:17:17] God I'm a little touchy on that subject Hey By the way Sign the petition To get those viewpoints checked out by the DEC So Yeah Uh Yeah So I thought that was bizarre That is really bizarre Wasn't that Was this recent? Like did you pull this stuff up I pulled them up last night Interesting Were you checking it out? You trying to You get fact checking Making sure No No No not at all I forgot to post the link For uh For whatever Yeah

[00:17:46] So no no It's just It's just amazing Moving on Town of Hunter August 5th So we got a lot of August 5th and all this stuff Jackson responded to a call for a dehydrated and exhausted hiker On the Catterskill Falls Trail 49 year old from Schenectady had been hiking since noon They planned to park at the Laurel House But missed the turn and parked at South Lake Parking area So they went and paid for this They made the hike to the observation deck much longer than expected

[00:18:15] Jackson provided water and luxury rights And slowly walked the subject to the Laurel House bridge And provided courtesy ride to their vehicle The vehicle The incident was clear at 9.09 PM So it was a little late start for them And that's uh, that's, that's that So they had to pay to get in there They did that walk Which is probably like what? Two miles from the South Lake Because you got to go walk along the road And you take that left and you go down So to the observation

[00:18:43] It's probably like one and a half, two miles But it's fairly level Yeah, yeah, it's nothing, nothing crazy So, and there's water all over the place So, I don't know, fresh But we'll see So, amazing Good old three hour rescue almost So, good Once again, these rangers are killing it We had a recent discussion on the Overlook news About the lack of rangers that we have in the green Sullivan Ulster area

[00:19:12] Somebody said there are five rangers on duty at all times Which is absolutely insane Especially for what we have at the Devil's Path Caterhskill Falls The Blue Hole hasn't really been an incident place that, that, that much So, but still The whole green county I think has, has one Forest Ranger on, on trail at all times Like on duty on all times And we're talking about Wyndham Blackhead Up towards there, right? Green, that's green Is that green?

[00:19:43] Yeah Sorry, sorry to put you on the spot, Ted Yeah So like, it's just, it's just tough And you know, I support New York State Taking the money out of the fricking high peaks Of informal trail stuff And going towards these, these rangers That, that need to, to have more help To need to have, you know, better support And stuff And we support everything on the rangers So, thank you To the rangers Tad, I don't know

[00:20:11] He's, he's like, he's like pissed Because he wasn't rescued on With his torn rotator cuff on the goddamn trail So I didn't, I didn't bother Tad walked himself out He's like, these people are just dehydrated And then walk themselves out God That might be more debilitating than Having a torn up shoulder Yeah, but All right So, let's move on to some climate change stuff, right? Oh, climate change Climate change We'll talk about this

[00:20:39] So, Tad, you brought up this about this Flint mine Solar company in Green County Yeah, we had spoken a couple episodes back about this ginormous solar farm that they're proposing in Sullivan County And in following up on that, I see that a not as large solar farm has not only been proposed, but it's been approved

[00:21:07] They started clear cutting, um, four to five hundred acres of land to build what is known as the Flint mine Solar Field in Green County, just outside of the town of Coxsackie and Athens So, as I understand the location, it's east of the escarpment between Route 9W and the Thruway

[00:21:34] And I wondered whether or not this four to five hundred acre solar field would be visible Either from Wyndham or Blackhead Black Dome Interesting Yeah, now I really, really wonder there's one viewpoint off of Blackhead that you might be able to see it from I gotta look this up CO2, but

[00:22:04] So, uh, we're gonna look this up, ah, let's see So, this is, is this, oh, so this is before the Hudson We're looking over Okay, so, uh, black You know, is Todd, Todd Gould's getting ready for his, uh, 8K hike and he's, I think he's calling his stock He's calling the DEC Now we're doing the jumping jacks Showing off the, the full functioning rotator cuffs that he has Yeah, so this, this might be possible

[00:22:32] He's cleared the site, uh, looks like to be targeted in March 2028 Expected to power roughly 20 to 21,000 homes Now the funny thing is, is how many years have we been at, uh, dealing with, uh, better Endurance or better like electronics that, uh, offer more energy, less energy product and stuff Now we're getting more solar power, more earth stuff But has my electric bill gone down?

[00:23:01] Well, cause this technology is not cheap It's, it's bullshit It's all bullshit What we need to do is we need to put a nuclear reactor right in the middle of a Shoken reservoir And that will power New York City and do what it needs to do for the Shoken reservoir And then, uh, we're good So you're saying the Shoken reservoir could be like the cooling area Yeah, right? Oh my God Yeah All right, all right Copyrighted

[00:23:27] I gotta put Alex's, uh, little thing that you, blurb that you had made me do for him So, um, so yeah, 450, 400 to 500 acres of solar panels That's a lot Um, so, we're seeing it a lot I tried to get this one girl on the, the podcast, uh, she hasn't responded I guess she's too cool, uh, for me But, uh, she does a lot of environmental stuff about these solar panels being put in these places That, you know, have a big environmental impact

[00:23:56] We're talking about like birds, uh, deer, uh, bears, stuff like that Right on the edges of DEC property D, I don't know about DEP But state property that is gonna have an impact And every time they vote, it's always, it's not gonna have an impact So, I highly doubt that But I guess, you know what, Tad? I guess what we should do is just Get a bunch of breeds of goats And start saying like to the DEC

[00:24:25] Like, hey, we got a large breed of goats We're gonna take out all this pasture for you And so the goats can go eat And, uh, and we'll do it for a fee of a free helicopter ride So the show is officially gone to the goats That's what I'm hearing All right, so We're gonna take a commercial break Cause I'm gonna, I'm gonna get stashed to take one of these IPAs Or two that Todd Bold brought me And put them on ice Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, but looks like a beautiful, once again

[00:24:55] Beautiful day People are out here We got lucky as, as the climate was looking to be The, the, the weather was looking to be just clouds And then rain It's pushed off to the evening So right now it's sunshine Clouds here and there So everybody's running and chilling I should probably ask Amy if they have a live update Of we can see where people are hitting on their, on their waypoints and stuff So, so far it's been great, good time

[00:25:23] We've just seen people and, uh, Ken and Pete Connector I mean, you got free stickers here So everybody's gotta get free stickers So Todd's ready to go I mean, if I give a shit Oh, I mean, that's, that's a little thing What's going on with this? But recording again? We are, we're always recording Are you sure? All I know is every time I look at the computer I see this circle above the word processing What does that mean? That means that the internet sucks

[00:25:52] I'm trying to think, but let's see I'm trying to see We'll see if it's live I don't know I, I really, we're recording That's all that matters If anybody wants to see it live Do you have a thing Capacity for a third microphone? No, no, we don't That's the thing I, if I were to have the, the PA system set up Uh, that would have been a thing Why, who do you want to get on here? Amy? Maybe I'll just start randomly Uh, and then the kids Pull over The kids doing that Mr. Miyagi thing Yeah That's pretty cool But I mean

[00:26:22] Um, what about this, uh, this, uh, volunteer trailhead steward expanding to fund funding gaps, plug funding gaps? Are you just, uh, this just a cool, some cool stuff you brought up? Uh, you know, cause I knew we were gonna be standing here or sitting here with all these runners out on the course and nothing to do waiting for my IPAs to get cold.

[00:26:45] So yeah, with all these budgetary cutbacks, especially on the federal level, um, it's interesting to point out that the, um, Catskill clubs trailhead steward program now in its fifth season have people at the two busiest access points.

[00:27:02] And the Catskills one being of course slide mountain trailhead and the other at the woodland valley trailhead in Phoenicia on weekends and holidays from Memorial Day through Columbus Day indigenous people's day weekend.

[00:27:18] In the summer of 2025, they had 47 stewards working the trailheads doing hiker counts on the spot education, leave no trace principle campsite impact reduction, dog leash compliance, staying on designated routes, map use, turnaround planning and hydration. Wow. So giving some people some intel as they headed out on the trails. Apparently those folks that got lost going back from Peekaloos mountain, didn't see any trailhead stewards along the way.

[00:27:48] The club reports it's helped reduce search and rescue call volume by getting unprepared hikers turned around or better equipped before they head up. So Stosh, what do you think? Have you experienced or, uh, You've done a steward with me. You know, that's you've, we've steward down at Wittenberg. So you think that's resulted in fewer rescues in the Catskills or help incidents in the Catskills?

[00:28:13] I would say on slide mountain, um, maybe and Wittenberg maybe, but not, not in a big impact. Um, as, as, as you think, but you know, you got to admit like some people, you know, come totally ill prepared. And we see that if somebody is going to hike up Wittenberg, you got to know that it's 8.4 mile round trip with over 2000 feet of elevation gain.

[00:28:41] It just, I mean, giant ledge is still a hike. Like a lot of people like don't realize it's one point something miles to giant ledge, but it's still 1200 feet of gain. Like it's should they put trailhead stewards, a giant ledge? They already got them. Catskill center does a giant ledge. Now they do the whole boroughs range. So the center, the center pays the people to do the whole boroughs range, Wyndham blackhead and the escarpment. So I, I do think, but who knows?

[00:29:09] Because we didn't get reports like the, uh, the range of reports we in back. And before this was going on before COVID, I don't remember them. Um, so I would say yes, you know, it gets those people that maybe are dehydrated and have less electrolytes, um, happening on the trail. And then they get, they get, you know, disoriented and they call 911. But most of the time, you know, a lot of these rescues can be done by cell phone and you just, you know, tell them to turn around. They walk out. Well, they have reception. Yeah.

[00:29:39] So here, here we, we have a, a segment on the funding until 2025. The Catskill club steward program ran entirely on membership dues and donations, a pure volunteer program from the club that was formed back in 1961.

[00:29:57] This year it got its first ever outside grant $4,798 from the state's environmental protection fund and trail partnership grant program. Sounds like they should sponsor us. This is administered by the park and trails, New York, um, program.

[00:30:18] The grant became more important than it might sound because it arrived just as around 30 million in federal money for related stewardship programs was put in jeopardy or eliminated. So this small state grant is now partially stepping in where the federal funding is no longer available.

[00:30:43] Consistent with that, we have the, uh, parallel, but separate program is the New York, New Jersey trail conference. It's Catskill summer stewards program established in 2015 in partnership with the DEC.

[00:30:58] It focuses specifically on protecting the fragile summit ecosystem above 3,500 feet, steering hikers off some sensitive alpine vegetation and toward designated campsites on mostly heavily used peaks. So you've got the folks at the trailhead entry points, the Catskill 3500 club and the Catskill center folks.

[00:31:26] And then the, uh, New York, New Jersey trail conference summer steward program is well. Stash, have you ever run into a summit steward? Hmm. That's a good question. All my questions are good. Oh my, that's actually very true. Uh, I gotta admit. Yeah, they are.

[00:31:47] Um, so I have run into AFRs, uh, assisted force Rangers, mostly on slide mountain, uh, area, but never on those other areas. I was, I wouldn't say that I have. Wow. I have a couple of times on slide mountain run into somebody up there. Who's part of this, uh, New York, New Jersey trail conference program. We ought to reach out, try to get one of them on the show.

[00:32:14] Ask them what their experiences been like over the summer stewarding up there and how helpful they think they've been up there and what some of the interesting stories are that they have to tell about spending their summers up there, guiding and redirecting hikers and campers.

[00:33:01] Yeah. Give you some respect and give you some just learning education. That's what it's all about. So instead of going out there and saying, you know, pointing at you and fricking saying you did this wrong and stuff, they're out there giving tips, be like, Hey, make sure you put this out fully. So, you know, maybe given examples, if there was a fire on Rocky, there was a fire on Friday, like it's, it's a big deal. So like they're hopefully doing a good job.

[00:33:26] Like I, I gotta admit, uh, we started this back in like the, the 3,500 club did the trailhead stewards back in like 2021. And that was a big impact. You know, the CEO report, uh, they have a special Facebook page about them and people show their reports, you know, saw 74 people today. I met 74, um, eight dogs parking lot was overflowing. Um, a lot of people were like ill-prepared and they hadn't, they gave them maps and stuff. So I'd say it's making a big impact.

[00:33:55] Um, and they do these reports on Facebook. Yeah. There's a special group called Catskill 3,500 trailhead stewards. I mean, you got to volunteer. I need to, I guarantee you don't have to volunteer, but you can become a part of it and see what they have to deal with. Cause it's, it's, you know, you did it, me and you did. It was a kind of calm day. Todd, what are you up to now? I'm about to apply an inside the line, the Catskills podcast sticker to my now gene. Nice.

[00:34:25] You mean you didn't have one on there before? I put it on my car so it would be more visible. I, I mean, same, same to people stuck in their cars and traffic who, who aren't necessarily hikers, but now here he goes. Tell us, tell us about the selection. I am running out of it. Oh, wow. Look at all those. Yeah. I love, I'm going to go right here. I'm going to go right here over the top. Oh, nice. Have you checked out the, can everyone see it? I, I hold on, hold on.

[00:34:54] Let's, let's look at this right here. Todd. There you go. With his inside the line. So you got, you have a time to come down here or come up here to Bel Air mountain to get stickers all over the place. There's, I highly doubt anybody here is five left. Five left. A lot of pens though. It's only five ciders left. I know they have five ciders. So I got to complete this before and then it gets sober before we, we get going back on the road and stuff. So, oh my God, what's going on? Let me turn this on.

[00:35:25] What's going on? How you doing? I'm going to hand the microphone over to Kim. We are live. One hundred percent. Hello, everyone. I mean, the, the video is right here. If you want to come back over here. How you doing? What are you up to today? Good. Well, I thought it was you guys and I, and I saw the, the, uh, the sign behind. Well, I mean, that kind of gives it away. Are you doing a live podcast the whole time? Uh, I wouldn't say the whole time. We're going to try to do it. Okay. So, uh, what are you up to? What are you doing?

[00:35:54] I'm doing the eight K. Nice. Why? That's, that's lame for you. It's not lame. Relative, right? Yes, it is. It is. Glad you're here. So what's been new. What's been going on too much. You guys are getting a lot of awesome guests on your podcast. We are. Thanks. Thanks to this goddamn community. That's incredible. And you are kicking ass with everything. Like you're just, how many rates do you have a race every week? No, no. Like once a month or so. Yeah. It feels like there's way more than that. It does feel like that. Yeah.

[00:36:24] Yeah. So now, uh, as we, we've had you on several times, are you still dreaming about how good that long path, uh, fastest known time was? Well, you know, it's been broken since. It has. It's been to me. Yes. Did you guys chat with her? We are going to. Awesome. Next week. Right on. I believe. Yeah. So that's going to be fun. Um, but I mean, I remember your good old stories of beaver attacks. Oh my God. Nettles, stuff like that. And just.

[00:36:53] The breeze come back every, every time I come up here. It's awesome. That's good. That's good. I'm just having a, having a great time here. Beautiful day. Like that. What for the hoodie? Put a hoodie on. Nice and chill. Look out my hoodies. You, you're correct. I was like driving. I'm like, God damn. This is like, we are sitting here in like 52 degrees. I'm like, should I put it on or should I be bold, start cold? Be bold, start cold. That's what I was thinking about. Being, being bold, starting cold. But, uh, what's your predictions on your time for the AK? What, uh, what do you have? No idea. No idea.

[00:37:23] No. Just going up and then going down. Yeah. Is anybody else from Sasquad running this? Yeah. There's, there's a bunch of familiar faces. Right. Good. Lots of crossover. Whatever. So Amy's awesome. They're running kind. And you guys, this is part of, uh, what was the, the, the madness series mountain madness series says fun is a cool collaboration. I'm my favorite people. Well, you guys like, once again, this is the community in the Hudson Valley and the Catskills, it cannot be matched. You know, we are all like together with this.

[00:37:52] Like, I love what we do. It's not just, you know, run the race and then get done. Everybody connects. Totally. Everybody goes for each other and stuff. Supports each other and stuff. When they run, they run with each other. They encourage each other. You know, I, I'm making that stuff up. I never run. If I were to run, I would be the rescue in the first like 10 minutes of downhill. So, but all I know is that Sasquad is killing it. The running kind is killing it. We're all killing it together. It's good stuff. Good people. Good vibes. I know.

[00:38:22] I love it. Well, good. I can't wait to see Todd's, Todd's doing the, the AK, uh, as well. The hike. Are you predicted to like run of most of it? I mean, you're. No, no. You're just going to enjoy it. You're going to just, yeah. Enjoy it. Taking the vibes. It's going to be good. On a hard cider. You can take it up there and pop one up there. I told Val, uh, Val goes hiking. Do you ever, she's, she's running this. And I told her, I'm just like, I will give you a free hard cider. If only you take a video of you popping her open on the trail and shrugging it while you're running.

[00:38:52] Cause she's doing the 25 K. So that's, that's, uh, what made you not, uh, do the 25 K like, uh, just. It's just been so busy. Yeah. So just, uh, knowing it wouldn't be very fun to do. It is definitely one of those interesting courses. You know, you go up and then you, you coast and then you go down and you go back up and you're like, Kinley, huh? Did they, are you familiar with the Amy clear? A lot of the, uh, the nettles.

[00:39:20] Oh no, that's gotta be the nettles. It's part of the cat skills. You gotta, there's still plenty out there from what I've heard. So people will get a taste of, they'll be biting for sure. No beaver attacks though. We don't know of anything. Oh man. That was cool. Cool. Well, good. Yeah. I didn't mean to crash. I didn't know you. This is no crashing at all. This is what I wanted. This is what I was hoping for. So, oh, awesome. So, uh, what else? We're people over. You want me to send some people? If you want to, you know, Ted's over there.

[00:39:50] Like, uh, so what's in the future for Sasquad? Um, yeah, our next race is the wild goose trail festival. It's our big hundred miler. Oh, I remember you telling me about that. That's a fun one. Basically a month from now in, uh, Ringwood, New Jersey. No shit. It's getting a good time. Didn't you say like, there was a lot of craziness going on on that one. What was the funny last time you were with us? You said something about the wild goose was your, your craziest. Yeah. It's kind of like the super bowl. Cause it's like distances from one mile all the way up to a hundred.

[00:40:20] It's a 36 hour festival. So it's free camping. And the aid station is like unhinged. Wow. Wow. Lots of good people. I, I really, um, like, I'm not saying proud of you, but you know, I, I've like, I've known you since that one first podcast we did when you were ready to set it. And it just seems like, yeah, yeah. Right. Like it seems like a lifetime ago. It does. But like the, the, the Sasquad running has blown up.

[00:40:46] And once again, the tightness you have created with, with us, with the communities and stuff, it just fills that way. Right. It fills the heart. And you know, it's just not, not about, it's about connecting people, getting people to run, educating people, stuff like that. And that's, you know, that's what I wanted to do on this podcast. We've been connecting a lot with, um, Camp Catskill. Nice. Yeah. And Ryan. So it was good. We did a hike with them a couple months ago. So that what'd you do? Sugar Loaf Loop is pretty fun.

[00:41:16] Nice. Yeah. So everyone who came, we've had probably six or seven people that had never been on the devil's path before. So that was like real. Sugar Loaf. So what do, what was your, you were out, uh, did you do it clockwise, counterclockwise? We went clockwise. Oh, oh, so you went, you had the long walk back. Yes. That was horrible. Yes. But that's, that's good to get them a taste of the devil's path. They got a taste. Yeah.

[00:41:40] Went up at Indian Head the other day and I forgot how, not how boring, but when you go up Indian Head from the West, you're approaching it and you're going back down to Platte Cove. I was like, oh, I can't wait to hit this gnarly stuff. Like there's no gnarly stuff like there is on Twin and Sugar Loaf and Plateau. Right. So I was like, oh man. But, uh, but yeah, it was just a good time. So we'll look forward to the wild goose run. Uh, that is when again? It's September 18th through the 20th.

[00:42:10] All right. Yeah. Uh, how many, is it, is it unlimited people sign up? I know you're. So we're, we're at almost 400 right now. So we'll probably have around. It's a big, but you know what? It's not, it's not 500 all at one time because the distances are staggered through the weekend. Okay. So it's, it's, it's fun. It doesn't feel like 500 people. It still has that like small grass roots. 100 miler. Mile. Yeah. With 36 hour cutoff. Wow.

[00:42:39] Uh, so how long does it take to plan this kind of stuff? All year. Yeah. All year. Literally. Well, you said it's your super bowl. Last race ends. That's when planning starts for the next race. Wow. So it's fun. And is it going to be at the same spot every year? You think? It usually is at way. We on a state park in Jersey, but they had some staffing issues. Unfortunately, like a lot of parks around. Uh, so we had to temporarily move to ringwood for just this year, but we'll move back to way. Way on to sweet for next year. So sweet. Yeah. Looking forward to it. So thank you for joining us.

[00:43:09] I don't know what Tad's doing. I can talk by myself all the time. Cause I did it. I did it a hundred times. And Meredith Beaton. She has an organization where she brings runners down to Ecuador and does retreats and stuff. So I think. Cool. Cool. Yeah. Send her over. I'll be, I'll be here. I wouldn't say all day. I try to be here all day, but I don't want to, I mean, we're, we're only 43 minutes into it. So that's, that's good. Right. So Tad's over there talking about his rotator cuff. So we'll see. So thank you once again for joining us.

[00:43:39] Good luck. Rip it up. Bye. Kim. I'm back. Well, no, no, I can, I can do this all by, I did this for, by myself for like 140 episodes. Come on. Jesus. I see that posted by, but I only see one name there. Yeah. I know that that's cause I do all the work. That's ridiculous. The glory, all the fame. Same thing on there. Check out my Cinderella moments. I schlep all the gear around. He does.

[00:44:06] That's you all like all the scheduling, the questioning content promotions. And I pack the cooler with the heart ciders. Does it does all the questions and stuff? Thanks. Todd. Todd came along today and at least carried the heart ciders and the beer for me. Yeah. It's always going to go do a leisurely walk through the woods. And I posted the long, wrong link on zoom. So I fucked up. I'm sorry about that. You're fired. Yeah. I guaranteed nobody. I'm not saying watch for us.

[00:44:35] Stay like today. Who's sitting at home watching us. Darren White said he's, he's going to watch us. I thought he said he was going to be here. Hey, Darren. Oh yeah. Buddy. I think this, but, uh, but yeah, so that, that might be a good one, but, um, yeah. So Kim was over here. Kim Levinsky. We're chatting about her Sasquatch trail running and such. Uh, she said she might send over another person. So Ted's probably gonna leave again and, uh, go hang out with Todd.

[00:45:02] Either that or he'll use the new, who gives a crap toilet paper and then give a report of how, what anybody's full of crap. It's me. Not at all. Crap. Or you guys can give her crap. Yo, I just got to say what a beautiful day. This turned out to be. You think? I don't know. I'm, I was looking for like Porter Johns here. They don't have any, I prefer Porter. John. He driving their truck up there. Outrageous. That could be you with your, uh, Tesla. I really think about it. Like I'm just noticed that. What is it?

[00:45:31] The full moon or the half moon down from slide mountain has Tesla chargers. Did you know? Yes. Yes. I, I used it one time and, uh, it worked out really well. Um, the only thing was, was that it's very difficult place to park where you don't have all wheel drive. So in the winter. Yeah. Right. So my wife and I were wondering this yesterday. So I'm going to bring this up now that we're talking about Tesla's and charging.

[00:45:58] My wife and I were driving to, uh, to hit the local farm stands. And she made this comment about the car in front of us. And she said, I wish he would just hit the gas. And I said, no, honey, it's an electric car accelerator pedal. Well, is that what you say? Hit the Excel. That's like lame. Hit the, yeah. Hit the punch. I said, punch it. I said, squeeze the juice. That's what I said. Just squeeze the juice.

[00:46:25] I mean, that's, that's what it usually, uh, Jessica and I just say when we try to pass somebody, well, it's not try. We do pass somebody. It's just fucking punch it. And people get a stab it and steer buttercup. Yeah. But Hey, the, the one thing I was going to, no, I don't raising Arizona. Oh God. Yeah. Um, the one thing I was going to say, I would talk about climate for climate. Is anybody else here drive electric vehicle like me? That is a big silence.

[00:46:55] I didn't see any electric vehicles. So I, I'm, I'm having the most environmental impact here. And, uh, I'm sure there's in Catskill up there. Well, my charge start stopped. So I might have to pause this and run back and take a break. Oh, on your car. That's what you're checking on. Yeah. I can check it on right now. It says charging equipment, not ready. Frickin Bel Air mountain. And it's not, they turn it off in the summer. It's not, it's not free. So a lot of people think that charging at these small places that are free.

[00:47:24] It's not, there are very rarely places in the United States. You can charge for free anymore. It used to be that way back like five years ago. I'm waiting. I'm watching these people warming up by running up the bunny hill, or I'm waiting for Todd to set out and do it. Hold on. When, hold on, hold on. That I don't finish last. I mean, Todd told us earlier, there's only two people in his group today. So the chances of him coming in last, what's in your pack right now coming in last or

[00:47:54] second place. What's in your pack for this? I don't have a lot. I got some cliff bars. I got a little water. Nothing serious today. It's only 37 pounds. I think 37. That's a lot. I mean, I mean, you want my first day kit. That's already 25 pounds. See, and why would you carry a first day kit when you can, they have trucks driving in the city. I would see the other way. I'd do have a little water, maybe a cliff bar. If that for, for Domino's pizza, I'd have my sling. Cause now I'm not going to hike without a sling.

[00:48:25] I'm curious of these lightweight trail runner vests that they wear. There's nothing. And I'm surprised Val said she had two liters in her back, back part. I didn't know that in the back, they had that many, that much in their bladder. Yeah. I thought always they had those two fricking bottles and then that's it. And I'm just like, these guys are psychos. Like, like Kim's of a Kim says she's doing the AK run. I don't think it's the hike. So watch out. Kim will probably fly right past you. So yep.

[00:48:55] Same exact course. So I don't know what the difference is between the hike and the run. So let's, let's hope that Todd gets. Yeah. And that's true. But still, I think it's just, everything should be everything. Oh yeah, dude, dude. It's beautiful. Beautiful weather. Um, what else do we got to talk about? You said, uh, you blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Navigation tools. So you saw this, you know, I saw about this too.

[00:49:22] Uh, all trails, uh, is shifting away from navigation tools specialized. Yeah. So what, what I gather from this story is that hikers are trending away from using all trails and Gaia and Avenza are becoming the more popular or leaders in terms of usage by hikers.

[00:49:53] And all trails is falling by the wayside. And in my opinion, that was inevitable. Yeah. Um, with Avenza, you get the New York, New Jersey trail conference maps loaded into it. Um, which is great because it has more Catskill related content. And with Gaia, I think it's just a superior product. It's great for navigation. Um, you know, route planning and advance.

[00:50:24] Before you hit the trail, things of that nature. And I've never really, you know, appreciated or found why it is folks were drawn to all trails other than, you know, did have a lot of like hike posting options, at least when it first started. I, so as this is moving on, I think that people get experienced. So they start off with all trails and then they move on to stuff like you and I, like Gaia GPS and Avenza and stuff.

[00:50:53] Um, all trails are a beginner, but you know, if you don't, all trails is completely inaccurate. Uh, not completely. It, it, it, I use it for, um, kind of like finding trail heads and then, but like, you know, some stuff that they say is easy is nowhere near easy. Yeah. Like looked at all trails in years. Yeah. You're a guy ever since I decided to go with Gaia, you know, basically out of the box.

[00:51:21] And then the other one, which wasn't mentioned in what I pulled up is Cal Topo now has a, a phone app that you can use. Whereas Cal Topo started as web-based. I think Todd's group is getting ready. So yeah, with the IPAs and ciders. Yeah. All right. Yeah. We're loading them up. He's got the 11th essential. We're not talking about the, who gives a crap toilet paper. Yeah.

[00:51:50] No toilet paper here. You just run in, run in dump. You got to get the fastest known time here at, uh, whatever. So we're running on right now, we're running on 52 minutes of recording. So, uh, I'm guessing somebody is halfway through the run right now. Hopefully they're not using all trails because they're probably going to get lost. They're using Gaia to find their way back. If they pull out. You're, you're a guy. Have you Gaia from the start? Have you used Gaia from the start? Well, I take that back.

[00:52:20] I, I, my first, uh, GPS navigation tool was a Garmin unit. Before they had really reliable stuff that was phone based. Okay. And that goes back to, you know, I'm going to say 2005, 2006, when I would go hiking with

[00:52:44] my daughters and I was very conscientious about not getting lost in the woods with my Hey, take it easy. Let me take it. Todd. Ready, Todd? Take a picture, buddy. A few extra stretches. Rip it up. Hey, good luck, buddy. You never look so good. Well, see what he looks like in an hour or two. Guy looks like he's 12 years old. Yeah. So I used to use an old, uh, Garmin product and I still have a lot of data on that, that I haven't pulled over to Gaia. Oh wow. Cause at some point.

[00:53:14] You can transfer that stuff though? Yeah. It's all the same GPX based. Oh yes. Yeah. That's okay. Cool. Yeah. And I, it's at some point I want to prepare a wall map showing all the places I've been in the Catskills. That would be fun. Yeah. It kind of looks like spaghetti, right? Well, the funny thing is it would be all blanketed out with different colors because of how many fricking times you've climbed so many mountains from different ways that you wouldn't be able to see the mountain. What does this mountain you climb? This might've been Panther. Maybe. I don't know.

[00:53:44] That's, I mean, I, I would, I would pay, I would help you pay for that because I just like to see, you know, I know how many times you and Danny have climbed Wittenberg and Cornell and slide that it just basically looks like you are basically the ones that are creating these goddamn herd paths. I'm just kidding. Not at all. Guys mosey up the side of a mountain are not going to create a herd. That's true. That's true. I'm just kidding. But cool. Yeah.

[00:54:08] So like, once again, I started off with, I never used any GPS navigation. Uh, I started off after that a couple of years. I did what they call, I don't know how I got into it, but it's called why Kai Loke. What? It's yeah, exactly. It's, it's, it's very third party, not really like well-based and stuff. I'm kind of going away, but I've been using it ever since. So I still have the data.

[00:54:35] Uh, I could move it over to a, but Gaia is what I've been, been working with a lot. And now I have my Garmin watch. So I just going to use Garmin from now on. They're beginning. Uh, I think they're beginning at AK and they're go, they're running instead of running up or running down and going around the gondola. They're actually going straight up the mountain. So yeah, they're take off going up. So they're doing that. That's what this is down here. This is their funny hill. Is this their, their little kids hill? Yeah.

[00:55:05] And they got the gondolas running. So hopefully Todd will be smart, catch onto a gondola and just hang right all the way to the top. Yeah. That'd be so good. This is a pretty big pack. I don't know. Right. Pretty big group of people. It's great to see. God, it's Todd and his bright orange pack. I don't see it quite yet. Yeah. I think these are the runners, the 8K runners. Oh, is it the runners or height runners and hikers?

[00:55:35] Maybe it's a mix. Yeah. We're just so we're just chilling around here. Beautiful day to do this. My God. Can I ask for a better day? Announcements? I don't know if they can hear it. Hold on. Yeah. Let me see if I can, uh, Finding out who the first time runners are. I'm going to turn us on low to see if he can. Yeah. You can't hear that. No. I don't even know what I can hear on here. So I can't hear anything.

[00:56:05] I can't hear shit. We're just chilling here. So, um, maybe we'll take a quick break. I'll pause it. And you can just look at a blank blank screen and see if Ted's IP is, is up and ready because Hudson North, I don't know anybody, anybody. Anyway, also there is the Hudson Valley wine and food festival, uh, happening on September 12th through the whatever.

[00:56:34] Hudson Valley wine and food festival, September 12th through 13th and Rhinebeck, New York. Uh, my wife, her mother, and I will be there and it'll be a good time. So anybody wants to go check it out. It's fun. $35 for crop load of stuff right outside of Rhinebeck. Are you live streaming? Am I? I should, I should actually have one of those things on my, my side look like a trucker. So, but just wanted to bring that up. Cool events coming up. Um,

[00:57:05] uh, and we're just waiting for the AK things to go on. And once again, I am very thankful that Ted did all this stuff for us, printed out all this stuff. It's really cool talking about, you know, we can move on to the runs now. Yeah. Yeah. So we have a, we're at right now, the course climate for climate, uh, 25 K or AK, um, held at Bel Air mountain. And then we have several other runs that are, are popping up and that have been happening for a very long time.

[00:57:34] Like the escarpment run that has been happening since 1977. I was not even born yet. That's when Van Halen came out with Van Halen one. So good. Interesting fact. Interesting fact. Come on. It's Van Halen. Oh, I got, it's still got on a low frequency. I'm very sorry. So probably sound horrible, but, um, Ted, when, when were you like starting to begin high? I mean, you was just skiing all your life.

[00:58:04] Basically. I started skiing when I was 12 or 13. Okay. When did you, uh, move down here to the Catskills? I moved to the Hudson Valley in October, 1989. Wow. So you, so now have you, you known about these, like the escarpment run? Have you ever heard about that before? Pre hiking stuff? And now, okay. Not a clue. So those, those old timers and stuff like that, but that's, you know, that's pretty cool. We've all, I guarantee that we've all hiked the escarpment,

[00:58:33] 18.6 miles. Uh, uh, I think it was like 5,000 feet of gain and stuff. So that's, that's another one similar to the Bel Air one. It's just one continuous hike though, straight from one end to the other where Bel Air, this, uh, the climate for climate goes over different peaks and then comes back. Yeah. So that's, it's interesting that the, uh, AI generated chart that I had print out for these four different runs, you know,

[00:59:01] gives the elevation gain for each of them, except the escarpment. It just says significant, significant. Yeah. And Manitou's revenge. They have is, is 15,000 feet. Whoa. Yeah. Which is, you know, almost twice the distance is the escarpment, but yeah, I'm sure we can figure out what the escarpment is. Yeah. I think it was 5,000 for all trails. Well, Haley was on, was my last, one of my last episodes. So she, she, um, um,

[00:59:31] and then you have the cat's trail tail trail. I always get that mixed up. Cat's tail trail, marathon, 26 miles, 7,000 feet of gain. It goes from slide mountain, uh, over Panther slide, Cornell Wittenberg, plus several other sub peaks point to point. So where does it. And I thought it ended like somewhere. I haven't finished the, but, uh, with all these, these events that take place, all these runs,

[00:59:59] you have to do a certain qualifying. It's not like anybody can, can, sorry to stop. Apparently, uh, the, the AK is starting. Yeah. So where's Kim dead last. Kim is dead last. Oh my God. It's hot. It's starting in the starting line. Oh, I, no, I don't see Kim. Nope. She's gone. Um, there's one guy taking off in, in orange shorts. So it's probably ripping it up. Um, but yeah, so once again, you have to, for, for these,

[01:00:29] you have to qualify. So I know for the escarpment run, you got to do like three races within, uh, this amount of time with, um, the cat's tail. Um, you have to either by completing the marathon distance or longer trailways with specific time standards in the last two years, or by having finished the escarpment trail run in under six hours. Um, definitely cool to read about that.

[01:00:55] You have to qualify this and not anybody and everybody can just enter this because this is not something that I would even become close to enter. My limit is probably around 13 to 15 miles, uh, with minimal gain. I like that's, that's, that's a little bad, uh, say, but I love, I love the elevation gain, but, um, a day like today, I don't know. I, I, I try to participate in, in a, what is there? There's an AK.

[01:01:24] What is there? Something else under that 15 K? Well, something under an eight K wouldn't it be a 15 K? Well, no, no. Between the 15, sorry, the eight and the 25. Yeah. Whatever happened to the five K? I don't see. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, these are, so the escarpment cat's count, cat's tail, Manitou's revenge and climate for climate are the, the, apparently the four longest events in the cat skills, um,

[01:01:54] with the Manitou's revenge being the monster of the cat skills, at least for this year. But when I was walking in, Kim, the organizer of the climate for climate event, told us that next year, there's going to be a hundred miler in the cat skills. Yeah. Totally insane. Definitely. A hundred miler. That that's two times the size of Manitou's revenge, which was the biggest law or the longest race that we have here in the cat skills.

[01:02:25] The Manitou's revenge goes from Wyndham to Phoenicia follows along devil's path, 15,000 feet of elevation gain and loss. Unbelievable. Uh, the brain, the Amy's finishing already. She's done. No, she just started. She took a shortcut. She rode the gondola up to the top and back down. Disqualified. So yeah, we have a lot of runs going on here in the cat skills and, and these are long distance endurance runs that are just packed full of

[01:02:55] punch that I would never participate in. I know that, uh, when I was on search and rescue, we did try to participate in, uh, well, we did actually participate in being like a trail point to point areas for search and rescue. So in case something happens, so we had everybody placed every like three or four miles. Just in case. So, uh, I know those people that do the, uh, uh, what are they called? The checkpoints and stuff like that. The aid stations,

[01:03:24] they hold a lot of shit up like gallons upon gallons of water, stuff like that. It's crazy. They need a huge hydration bladder. Correct. And Amy's now the, the, the owner of running client looks like she has her backpack on and she is going to start fricking running. And she's coming over here on her way. There she goes. Bye, Amy. Keep kick ass. Have fun. God.

[01:03:54] They look like casual having a good time where I'd running look easy. Yeah. Where I would be like, what the fuck is going? I got to stop in my car and get the air conditioning going. Running look pain free. All right. We are going to take a quick break here. I don't know. I don't know. Half time. It is half time. We have a halftime show. Bad Bunny will be out to sing for our halftime entertainment. Matt, that's triggered. Hey, are the snow machines going? All right. So we're back. Right now we have Meredith from endurance,

[01:04:24] endurance running. Eco endurance. Eco endurance. So explain to us what eco endurance is. Sure. Okay. So eco endurance is a connection of running and movement in nature with travel and exploration. And so we, we started a trip. Um, a friend and I started a project in Ecuador. He's from Ecuador, my friend, and about four years ago. And we decided we love these places,

[01:04:54] different ecosystems that you can run in and move in. And, uh, we should bring people here and explore. Well, that high mountains, the Andes mountains, you've got cloud forest, you've got the Amazon basin. And so, um, I had this vision for eco endurance, kind of the back of my mind. And when I was in Ecuador running in these places, I was like, I think this is it. This is what eco endurance is. This is the conjunction of exploring wild spaces, being in nature,

[01:05:22] reconnecting to ourselves and to nature and to each other. And, and just coming back to the joy of movement. So we did that trip, a pilot trip, and it went really well. And people were like, you got to keep this going. So we just kind of kept it going now and it's, it's starting to grow. So it's not just mountains that you take, you take them to, you take them all different types of areas, mountains, like you said, Amazon rainforest. So just anything and everything that you can explore down there. Cause it's,

[01:05:49] it's totally different lifestyle than up here. You got to admit. Yeah. It's that's, what's the beauty of it is sort of, yeah, just discovering the world a bit. And, um, the trip ended up being in January and we still have a trip every year in January and February. And it's just like a nice way to start your year. If you feel like you're ready to open yourself to maybe a new, a newness in your life or a refresh. And so, um, yeah,

[01:06:18] you're discovering lots of different types of ecosystems, culture. We do a day in the Amazon with an indigenous community where we do like a, an energetic cleanse and some traditional plants. And beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful. That sounds like something that I would do, but not run though. I don't run. I hike. I hike a lot. I don't run. I'm trying to launch a, a sort of intro to mountaineering experience. Ecuador is,

[01:06:44] Ecuador is a hidden gem for mountain running and mountaineering. They have good old switchbacks and stuff like that. It's, is it nice switchbacks? Maybe I could do that. I would say. Yes, I guess. I don't know. Maybe you should go to the Alps. I know. I'm, I'm, I'm all over the place. I've, I've been, I've been anywhere and everywhere. Uh, like I've been over, we just recently went to, uh, Yosemite and then we did Sequoia Kings, Camden. We've been to Utah.

[01:07:14] We've been to Canadian Rockies, New Hampshire, Vermont, all over those places. So climb some mountains in Jamaica. So that was, it was pretty fun. Um, so you got a little tropics. Oh yeah. Yeah. Blue mountain was, was something else. A little scary, but yeah, you can't, you cannot go up to the summit without two to three tour guides that have guns. Okay. Gotcha. It's, it's definitely, it's definitely different. Yeah. Um, but it's, it's fun. It was so much fun. Um, but other than that, like, you know,

[01:07:40] just getting out and exploring something other than the United States is always a treat to get you into a different culture. Yeah. And stuff. That's what I, I look forward to not just hiking a mountain, but getting in that culture and feeling love. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I think something that can, that I always connect with in Ecuador is this long, like lineage of, uh, people's people groups that have had this really, um,

[01:08:07] deep connection with nature and have kind of carried that forward. And obviously everywhere in the world is globalizing and modernizing, but that, that connection is still there. Um, and there are many, many people fighting to protect natural spaces. And so the other part of eco endurance is trying to build intentional travel where, you know, we all want to travel and move about the world. We're going to do it.

[01:08:34] So can we do it in a way that perhaps is neutral or making that space even better? So can we go and stay with folks who are already doing good things in that place? They're protecting forest or they're doing agroforestry or regenerative farming. Can we stay with those folks rather than, you know, random hotels or tourism, um, sites. And so that's kind of how we do, we set up the trips. Um, and then the other thing is that we're now as of this year,

[01:09:03] starting to try to make everything climate neutral. So eco endurance will try to offset your flights. And so really you're just getting there and you're supporting something good. That was my next question about how, how it kind of like offsets and how you base that, when you get down there and stuff like that is, you know, once again, you're connecting with the people, the local people, instead of, you know, going to some Hilton resort or something like that, that's been built on the side of, uh, the whatever, like coast or something.

[01:09:33] Yeah. That's, I, I see that as more of a, uh, how do you say it? More enjoyable time to relax and to get a feel of the culture stuff. I always, I always love dealing when going to a different place. It's not just going to the hype, like high flying places is to go deep into the places of where you can feel the culture without getting killed. Yeah. While getting shooting. Yeah. Cause down in Jamaica, it was a whole different story. When we, when we ventured off of the roads,

[01:10:03] we ventured off in the wrong places, but we still got out. It was fun. It was, yeah, we made it, but it was one of those beautiful experiences of just, once again, you, you, you go into the culture and you realize how good you have it here in America. And, you know, like they, they still were happy. We're having a good time, accepted us and stuff like that. But I was like, wow, these people have nothing, but they feel like they, they act like they have everything. Yeah. So that's like, what,

[01:10:34] what is the joy and beauty that you can find wherever you go in the world? And I think that, um, it shifts your perspective and no matter where you go, there's unexpected lessons and unexpected beauty that you find or, um, realizations. And I think that's, that's why we love to try. travel and adventure and explore. It's been a part of humanity forever. Yeah. And so, yeah,

[01:11:04] I just, uh, encourage folks. If you want to look us up and check it. Eco endurance. Come travel with eco endurance. Um, if you want to start your year in an, in a new way, or you love travel or exploring and, or you're just for the first time, want to, want to try it. Um, and you want to combine that movement and trail running and adventure. That's what we do. Yeah. How about you bring people to Catskills? Show them here. I know. That'll be next. I would love to do domestic trips.

[01:11:32] It's not really like what my passion is, but I, I do. Yeah. I'm very open to see kind of how this whole concept can grow and where it takes me as I, as I develop it, I'm learning and growing and, um, yeah. As you should, that's, that's the whole point. You can't be so narrow minded and stuff like that. You got to open yourself and that's what it's probably your,

[01:12:00] your little program does is just open their minds and show them what else that we have here in the world and to do it in an eco friendly way. Exactly. Yeah. We're piloting a tour in Mexico this November. That'll be our second. You said you went down to, uh, where was it again? Um, the first location, Ecuador, Ecuador. What's the tallest mountains down there? So the tallest mountain is Chimborazo and it's a little over 21,000 feet. Ooh. God damn.

[01:12:29] Cotopaxi is a really famous, uh, volcano. That's the second highest. Um, I went to the top of that one. It's like, I want to say a little under 20,000 feet. Um, congratulations. Awesome. Fantastic. Well, some good, uh, like, um, if you want to try going to a high peak, it's a good, it's a good spot for that. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Well, excellent. Well, thank you for joining me. Uh, and, uh, we'll stop by the, the booth that you have over there or picnic table.

[01:12:59] Yeah, I guess. And then that fell over. So, all right. Well, thank you for joining us. Have a good day and, we'll see you out there. Hopefully we'll see some finishers soon. What are we like? We're only an hour in. So good. Thank you. So apparently we have a finisher. I do not know what it is. Number three Oh four. And he is timing on his watch. So he has to be a finisher. Uh, I might run over and tell it. He looks like he didn't just do the AK. He might've done something more. Oh,

[01:13:28] he might've done the AK. He doesn't have any water. So unbelievable. We are an hour and 45 minutes in, I think. I don't know. Wait, no. So it's been, yeah, an hour and 45 minutes in, uh, of recording. And this guy, uh, I'm going to yell over to him. Wow. Wow. So he's finished. We're going to see what he, he did. And, uh, Ted might take this away. Cause I'm, I'm, I don't know. That's, that's incredible.

[01:13:58] Uh, if he did the AK, what time does that start? 930. So all's I know is when he comes over, I want you to ask if he did the AK and he's going to bitch slap you around. Cause I don't think he did the AK. You think he did a 25? Yeah. Yeah. He didn't have any hydration packs or stuff. Cause he did it that fast. Holy shit. He didn't have time to take a drink. So we're talking to eight 30. So that is not even two hour, an hour and 15 minutes. Or then fits that sure. He's to do the, the 25.

[01:14:28] It was two hours and 51 minutes was the, or two hours and 43 minutes was the, maybe isn't they care? And he's going to bitch slap me around. Hey, whatever, man. I guarantee grabbed the gondola and went up to the top, came back down, man. I tell you, like it's, there he is. We'll see it. Look at him. Look at him. Um, so yeah. So once again, the day, like I saw today was supposed to be a couple of days ago, it was supposed to be crappy day. It has turned out to an absolute phenomenal day. Let's see what,

[01:14:58] uh, the new app hikers weather done by Tim Luby of the, uh, trail admin of the Catskill trail conditions page. It's taken a long time to load and let's see. Our finisher is getting his photo taken. I'm laying up his Nell gene. Nell gene. Guy's got a plastic water bottle and he didn't, it's a beautiful day for a hike. Current weather is good. Uh,

[01:15:29] what the hell is Monca Hill? Says it's Monca Hill is where I'm at. Never heard of that additional place where they keep them out. Right. So right. Right. Here he comes. He's looking for a refresh. Number. Number 109. Sorry. I was the 304. I was a little off, a little off with 304. So we're live inside the line, the Catskill mountains podcast. All right, buddy. You want to sit down? Number 109. What's your name? Jeremy. Hey, Jeremy, let me, let me,

[01:15:59] let me adjust the settings so we can get a little bit of a. The AK. The AK. Yeah. Fading on what gators. Maybe next year for the 25, but I'm not there yet. I'm just trying to figure out how to get this fricking. So how's it going? How was it? It was good. What was your thoughts?

[01:16:23] I was hurting on the way up and then hit the top and I had hope and I flew down. As you can see, he is out of breath. He just finished probably what? Like four minutes ago. Yeah. That's, that's what she said. Um, this is a no hold bar podcast by the way. So, uh, where are you from? Uh, beacon, New York beacon, New York. So we got a local, so that's good. Uh, yeah, I love that. About a mile from my, uh, yeah, if you got one, I love it.

[01:16:53] Todd bulbs. All right. So if, is this industrial arts? And this is, uh, yes, it is. Yeah. So he's going to crack it open right in the mic. Make sure the mic is on actually. It is on. So crack it open. Ah, nice. What a sound. So, uh, once again, what's your name again? Sorry, Jeremy, Jeremy. So now you've, have you run before? It's the first time running. I actually ran this last year. Uh, you ran this last year.

[01:17:22] What was your time last year? Uh, I think it was 47, but I did win last year. Also back to back. It takes me 47 minutes to get up a mile and a half to the top. And then it takes me another three hours to get down. So, uh, on, unbelievable, beautiful day. Yeah. It's a lot cooler than it was last year. So that helped out. What was that like last year? Human? Yeah. 85, something like, Oh, yikes. 60s today. I feel like maybe 70. Nice. Up top. Beautiful. Yeah.

[01:17:51] To actually stop to look at the view up top or no glance for a second. I thought that's beautiful. And then I just kept flying. So the, the route goes up the deer run trail, which is basically an access road, right? It goes up. Oh, Oh, so Roy and Brooke. So you're going up basically an old ski run. Yep. And then you're coming down the, the deer. Okay. So what were your thoughts of going up? Uh, I made it about a mile and had to walk a little bit. Uh, and then I ran the rest of the way. So I needed a small break. Then, I mean, fantastic. That's,

[01:18:21] that sounds like an accomplishment right there. Um, going into this, were you like, were you confident that you were going to do really good? Not really. I, uh, I worked at overnight shift last night. I've got to sleep at six in the morning. This is why we do the fucking podcast. They hear stuff like this. This guy's just like, yeah, I'm going to work overnight and then I'm going to come and fricking nail a goddamn fricking trail run. Yeah. Oh my God. It was not confident to be honest, but awesome. It felt fine once I was around. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a beautiful day to do so. We, we all, we,

[01:18:50] we were sitting here talking and all of a sudden we heard some bells ringing and it's like, well, what the hell is going on? And then we see you flying down the mountain and, uh, crossing the finish line. So Ted, you got any questions, bud? All right. Um, so you've been here a couple minutes. You finished a couple minutes before you came over here. Nobody else has finished. Yeah. That's surprising. It is. I thought somebody was closing in on me. Did you know any of the other competitors? I didn't. Oh, we got one.

[01:19:20] This person's not, it's a disc golfer. Sorry. No, it's good. So do you train for this specific event? Usually. Yeah. Mount Beacon's about a mile from my house. So I, I try to run up that pretty often. Uh, but I never, I never go up as steep as this. Oh yeah. So yeah, this is quite a challenge for me. Did you, do you come out here and train at all for this or just come out here to the, for the race? And that's for the race. Yeah. I snowboard here all the time. Oh, but yeah.

[01:19:47] So why is it that you come and do this race as opposed to something else? Uh, I had, I just saw it last year and I had such a good time doing it. That's why I came back this year. Um, I love this mountain too, just from snowboarding. So all of that. So it brings, it has some memories for you. Definitely. And so you've got some, uh, ear plugs in or ear phones in. What do you listen to when you're right? Uh, I usually actually listened to no music today. I was just enjoying the, I also wanted to hear if anybody was coming up behind me, but, uh, I usually just put on a mix, uh, upbeat music. Okay.

[01:20:16] We got some good people here. We have some other finishers. I can't say they look as fit as you. How's the beer? Fantastic. Yeah. It's a great place by Todd. Yeah. Todd bold, uh, beverage distribution, new sideline for Todd. We're going to get them into it. Nice. Supplying events like this. So, all right. I'm going to hand it back to, uh, Stosh. Thank you, Ted. Ted's, uh, over there doing his exercises and it's good. So we had some, uh,

[01:20:45] finishers here and Jeremy's here. So do you like down in, uh, down in the, the Hudson Valley area? Are you doing any training of this? Like, I know a lot of people do like Mount beacon three or four times. Yeah. Uh, I usually just try to get up it and back down, which is about a three and a half mile, uh, run. What's your time? Like 20 minutes? Uh, no, it's, uh, it's worse than that. I don't know exactly. Maybe like 40 something. God damn. This is disgusting. Like,

[01:21:14] I think of my times I'm making good time up this mountain. I feel good. And then I'm just like hour and 30 minutes. What the, I mean, if you can make it up and down, that's a success. Exactly. So that's, that's the good thing is I, I see, uh, we're seeing a lot of people coming down. Good, good. The AK haven't seen any where, I don't know if we're finishing on some, uh, 25 K should be. So what did you finish in 47 minutes? I didn't see my exact time actually. Yeah. So somewhere around there,

[01:21:42] when you're doing this type of crazy run, I asked this before, are you doing any sort of like heart rate monitoring and stuff? How do you monitor that? How do you do your kind of like pace to keep yourself going? So for me, uh, I know everybody varies, but when I hit about one 65 beats per minute, I might watch tells me, uh, that's when I know I'm like really starting to push it. Uh, so I got up to about one 72 today, going up, going up before I,

[01:22:12] had to walk for a little bit. So, okay. Oh, wow. Yeah. I don't want to push it much past that. Some of the, see, I've never thought about that, uh, until like, I, I like talk to trail runners and that they, they monitor that they'll slow themselves. Joe Frederick. He used to do something of where he would put on music or would, would do a beat, like a, a step for his heartbeat to monitor his heartbeat, to keep his pace good. So we can keep going. That's a good idea. Yeah. So I don't,

[01:22:40] I don't know if that's what everybody does, but it's just, uh, it's, it's something that you guys, I know I have each and every individual has a different. Like thought of how to do it or a different. Yeah. I mean, I, I've been working on it more. I think for me, like the more, the more fit I get, the quicker my heart rate goes down. If I slow it down a little bit and that's really key because then I can start pushing it again. Uh, whereas, you know, if I'm not fit, the heart rate just stays up and you just can't really recover.

[01:23:11] So how old are you, man? 43. Wow. This is, it's great to hear like people that like my age are doing this, like 43, 39. I'm like, Holy shit. Like there's where the 20 year olds that are killing it. No, no, the 43 year olds are fricking killing it. I've honestly found in races, like the forties is a really competitive age group. A lot of people are really like taking it seriously in that age. So yeah, tad looks like he's got to start trail running and beat these 40 year olds out of here. Could I get, he's going to get there. Sweet. Sweet.

[01:23:41] That's really good. Love it. Hold it up. It is. Tad, you can break one open. You got to break one open soon. Oh, well you can, oh, you want the paradox ones. So, I mean, we might like, I mean, good thing is we can pause and record this and stuff like that. Pause and stop. So, uh, Jeremy, once again, finishes the AK looks like the fastest known time of the world. Uh, Usain Bolt has nothing on this guy. So, uh, well,

[01:24:11] you're saying boat is all flat, so he can't do this shit. He can only run for like 10 seconds. So, but he, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's Jesus savage as fuck right there. Love it. I love it. He's been, uh, I think I'm running a marathon in October and kid. God, God, kid. God marathon. Yeah. How does that work out? I've never done it. No. Uh, I just was trying to find a cool spot for one and that's what I chose. I've only done one marathon before.

[01:24:39] So are you going to do anything with Sasquad? Uh, what's that? No Sasquad. So Kim Levinsky, she set the fastest known time on the, uh, long path. She does Sasquad trail running. Oh, okay. and she works with Amy. Well, it's going to say it's, it's on low frequency, so it just catches everything. It's going to sound like shit, but oh well. Kim does, uh, Sasquad trail running. She has a bunch of trail running groups. She does a bunch of marathons. Uh, they're having a hundred. What is that? One, one,

[01:25:09] one hundred K. Yes. The first run hundred K in the Catskills. Oh my goodness. Yeah. That's a little bit, uh, extreme. Yeah. I could probably drive from one end to the other and that's about it. Um, but yeah, so like, uh, yeah, we look forward, Jeremy, to, uh, to hearing of you in the future and the, you know, kick an ass. Congratulations on your W today. Do you get like a free roll of toilet paper? What's the wind? I think so. Yeah. And they have a cool little plaque thing that they give the winner. So, all right. Actually one of the best prizes I've got. And I wasn't expecting this.

[01:25:40] Nice. Nice. Well, I don't know what she's doing, but, uh, these people like congratulations once, once again, Jeremy, I'm glad to be on the show, man. Hopefully see you in the future, buddy. Thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks man. Thanks for the beer. Welcome. Tad's got to break open his. It's funny. I got to go to the bathroom. So you want to pause? Thanks, Jeremy. We're back. We're back with Todd bold. He just finished, uh,

[01:26:07] his AK going up and down the mountain counterclockwise. Correct. Up roaring killed down the deer run trail. All right. So, uh, Tad has reached over. It looks like we got some more finishers. And I don't, once again, I don't know who's the AKs in the, the, the, the, okay. Okay. All right. Let me, yeah, let me turn this on a little bit. It might sound like shit, but turn it on low. We'll get a lot of talk in the background so we can hear everybody. Right. So, so Todd,

[01:26:37] Todd, Todd is a supporter of the show. He's also a supplier of, uh, alcoholic beverages to the show. And today Todd gets on the show by completing an eight K hike and jog. And what was your time? I didn't get the official time. I'm going to say somewhere around an hour and 10 minutes. I heard it was more like, uh, 42 minutes, eight seconds. Correct. Yeah. Adjusted,

[01:27:05] adjusted for age and other factors. Yeah. I, so tell us what was it like? It was fun going up. Obviously, I think it was 1600 foot of gain, uh, to start off. Everyone was kind of together because even the runners were hiking quickly. So I stayed with everybody there. And then when the real runners started to run, I had to contemplate whether I was going to try to stay with them, which would have been foolish. Or was I just going to jog? So I jogged most of the way down the last two and a half miles or so.

[01:27:33] What about the traverse over the top of the summit? Was that like a fast walk, a jog or something? It was a jog. It was pretty flat. The entire course was on dirt roads, you know? So we're hearing here that Todd bold is competitive, that when he gets, he gets to the top with the runners and the pack and, and the, the pace accelerates. Todd doesn't drop back into hiking mode. He goes into full on aggressive. I need to get to the bottom and get a hard side. Yeah. I have to admit,

[01:28:02] I did see a gentleman with a bright orange shirt running in front of me. And so, although I'm not a runner, I set my eyes on him and, and fortunately I caught him. Awesome. Awesome. And. Overall, what was the experience? Was it an enjoyable experience? You've never done anything like this before. What's your takeaway from it? Yeah. I've never done a competitive trail run. I, when I was a runner back 25 years ago, I did a lot of five case, 10 case, but never anything off the road,

[01:28:31] if you will on trails. And it was fun. I think that those competitive juices certainly started to go a little bit. What was the distance going up? Like your one was, so it was total five K. What is that again? I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I think it's right around five miles. The course was, and I think it was 1680 feet. And so that's a hell of a gang. The first two miles were all of the climb. Wow. Yeah. Nice. And this was nicely groomed trails. No, really loose gravel. Oh, okay. Okay. It was, it was,

[01:29:01] because some places up here, if you go off, off the side of the, one of the ski runs, they're just full on gold, the Goldilocks, stuff like that. Yeah. I was hoping the course would go off of the trails, but into the woods, but it did not full on sun, but still a great time. Great cause, fantastic weather. I thought it was going to rain. It was beautiful. So you get sun all the time. A hundred percent. Oh God, that's tough. Yep. That's tough. So Todd,

[01:29:23] where along the eight K is it that you feel that you transformed from a hiker to wanting to be a competitive trail runner? Honestly, when I got to the top and the people in front were in sight still, I was like, okay, it should be downhill from here. I can jog this, but I got to be honest with you. It was harder going down the loose gravel. Oh yeah. And it was going up really, really slippery. And why is that? Is it because of the, the,

[01:29:51] the knees and the downhill force? I think I was just moving quite a bit quicker down, obviously. And so every time my foot hit the loose gravel would slip a little bit. So I was a little tentative. Yeah. And as you're, as you're doing the traverse across the top, which is really bringing you from one side of the ski area to the opposite side of the ski area and you're, you're running with the other trail runners who have their running vests on with the running gear on that tightly,

[01:30:20] that tightly fit against their body. What is it that you have? I have my hiking backpack with you, my day pack. And how many liters is that? I think it's a, it's a 26. So, so, so Todd, Todd bold's up there boldly wearing his 26 liter hiking backpack full of the 10 essentials and other gear. If he was going on a, yeah. First aid water flashlight, no hard cider. So disappointed part cider.

[01:30:48] Stosh points out all of these good things and everyone around you, you look around and you see people with what? Tank tops and little tiny vests. And you have hiking poles too. I kept saying to myself, where's the other hiker? Cause apparently there was one other registered. Yeah. did you check in to see if you won the hiking? I don't know. Oh shit. When the hike, something's some, the fix is on. Nice. Nice. I have to have a recount, right? It was rigged. The event was really well run all along the way. There was, you know,

[01:31:17] eight stations and people directing you taking pictures. It was good. They were motivating people at the top. It was nice. Nice. I would do it again for sure. Did you stop at an aid station? I did not. I did not. I'll tell you how much I was focused on the finish line. I didn't even take my phone out to take a picture and the views up there were beautiful. Oh yeah. They're phenomenal views. Take a sip of water or, or take a single picture. So he wanted to win. Todd wanted to win the race. He didn't care about the views, which is disgusting in my own mind. I wanted to win against myself.

[01:31:46] I thought Todd was a viewpoint. So the race organizer just handed me a report. Is it true that you were pushing other hikers and runners out of the way? Uh, no comment. He's taking the fifth on that folks. Todd is a retaining legal counsel as we speak. And for, for, yeah, for the eight K's is it true that you've got a 90 calorie Coke? Do you want a bigger Coke? And I got a bag in a bag of classic laser. Yes. 7.5 ounce variety.

[01:32:16] It's not even a full Coke. Yes. Yes. Although by the way, Todd did bring a full size, uh, Hudson North cider donut ciders. Did you bring the nine 11? Is that from you as well? That's the 1911. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one. Did you just say nine 11? Oh, God damn. All right. All right. We might have to edit that out. Good job. Thank you. Another, another runner, hiker, runner, another hiker, runner. That's the gentleman in the orange shirt. Telling,

[01:32:46] telling Todd, he did great. Awesome. What was the, he was, what was he doing? He just said, good job. That's the guy I was trying to catch up. Kind of like the hiking community all along the way, whether you were passing somebody or they were passing you, it was a nice community. People cheering each other on. Good job. Really nice to see. So while it's competitive, I think it's also a very, you know, supportive community for sure. I agree. Sweet. Yeah. So good. Thank you. Once again, for the, the hard ciders as,

[01:33:15] as I've completed like five or six. And I actually, Jeremy, the AK finisher, had one of your, uh, industrial arts that cracked it open. Uh, as he finished, he went, it was cold, went to the bathroom and then came over here. And dad, his interview. So he ripped it up. He 40, 40, it's the official training beverage of trail runners. Yeah. Yeah. We better get some, uh, thoughts about, uh, industrial arts getting a promotion or something from us. Yeah. Once again,

[01:33:45] there's a bunch of people finishing. We're just waiting for the, so Todd, what are, what are your thoughts as you see these other eight K finishers crossing the line? And, and some of these, frankly, some of these guys that I'm not putting you down, but some of these people look, a lot more fit than you. And you, and you, right about 10 minutes ahead of these, these people that are half your age, I'd say mind over matter. That's what I would say. Yes. It was fun. No, I, I, I haven't had the competitive juices going like that for a while. For sure. The competitive ciders he's referring to.

[01:34:15] Todd, how old are you? By the way. I mean, I asked, I'll be 58. I'll be 58. No shit. 58 year old crushes it up here and beats. Like, I just saw a kid that looked like probably he was 22 years old. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Actually, that kid looks like he's 16. Sorry. And that's what they, they all seem, what is it? 12. Is that what we all say? The kid's 12 years old. No, that's what I came. Glad I could support you guys. And, always obviously supporting the show. Yeah. It's once again, the community is tight. It's so much fun. It's so much.

[01:34:44] It's good to see. Um, surprise. We haven't seen Kim finish yet. Kim. They did the, the full encore. So Todd, what I, I want to know now that you've done your first eight K. Uh, yeah. Is it true? You're looking for a sponsor? Uh, yes. Hudson North. Are you listening? Nice. Nice. I gotta, I gotta Todd. Brad bold is the first official member of the Hudson North running trail, running team. Uh, broke,

[01:35:13] broken to the trail running game here at, uh, Bella or mountain. Maybe more of you should have been here today for the free alcoholic beverages, the humor, and the, the trail running experience. We may not be fast, but we finish. There you go, bro. Copyright that. That is seriously. The shirt, right? The best. We might not be fast, but we finished. God damn. That's going to be the intro. Run your own trail race.

[01:35:43] Right? Nice. Nice. drink your own brew. Yeah. Well, Todd, thanks for joining us. I really appreciate it. Cheers. Uh, thanks for the hard ciders and, uh, I'll be back next year. Try to beat my own time. I guess we'll be back. We'll be back on the top. We're going to be able to do some training. Yeah. All right. No, Amy's not going to do a drink, but that's okay. That's okay. Amy is here. Climate for climate event. She is the race director, the, the running kind head honcho and stuff like that.

[01:36:12] So how's it going so far? We're halfway into the event. Well, three quarters of the way in of the event, right? Yeah, it's going great. Um, it's, you know, 1117 and our first 25 K finisher is going to be here momentarily. So super stoked. We had the, the AK finisher was like 42 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Jeremy, he was fantastic. So that's super fun. Yeah. It's been a great day. I mean, we had a perfect weather day and, um, everyone's super happy out there.

[01:36:41] I was just at aid station too. That's about halfway at McKinley hollow. People come down and then have to go back up and they hate that. Uh, they love to hate it. Like, I feel like it's one of those things that like everyone talks shit about and then they finish and they're like, Oh, that climb was crazy though. You know, like type two fun. I love it. So it's, and it's switchbacky. So it's not like it's, it's a bad, you know, one of those catskill rock shit. And I slayed all the nettles. Julie and I went out,

[01:37:11] we cleared, we talked about that before miles of nettles. Outrageous. So sad that we got to leave those nettles out there for people to have, they'll run faster to think that they can get off of them and stuff. So I never know what hurts more when you're going fast or slow through the night. I've tried both and it sucks either way. It's just got to spit on your, your legs. Right. That's what I do. So where were the nettles? The worst McKinley. I mean, the last like mile and a half of McKinley hollow is just relentless. Yeah.

[01:37:41] They're ferocious. It's like, they're alive. That's why you said you slay them. Cause they actually, were they growling? They were shoulder height. Really? Wow. Yeah. Julie was taken in by the nettles. I was drawn in, right. Pulled in. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's cause she's like natural. And that's, you know, I did a video of that. Yeah. Me telling like to, to whack the nettles. Yeah. I was just like, don't do that. You're, we're not invasive and stuff like that. I'm like, they're invasive when they're taking over the trail. Yeah, for sure.

[01:38:11] Absolutely. But, but yeah, that, well, that wasn't the area for going from rider hollow up to balsam. The junction is pretty. Yeah. Yeah. We did not get to that. So they'll get some nettle love out there. Did you do that this year? Slay nettles? Because last year there were complaints about nettles. And because now I'm the trail maintainer on that section, of course. So how did you be unlucky and get that? Charlie gave me a call and he was like, this is on your course.

[01:38:40] I think you should become the trail maintainer. And I was like, I don't really spend a lot of time in the cat skills. This was a few months ago. And, um, he was like, well, I don't know if I live there. So for it, he was basically like, it's either you or probably not getting done. Yeah. So I was like, well, I'm going to have to do it anyway before the race. I might as well just become the trail maintainer. Now I'm now I live here. So when you slayed the nettles, what do you do with them after you knock them over? Do you just leave them there?

[01:39:10] Do you move them out of the way? Yeah. I mean, try to get them on the side. Yeah. Cause then it gets slippery, you know? And do you do this because trail runners generally wear less protective clothing than hikers? I mean, not really more just like, cause it's an enjoyable, more enjoyable experience. No, yeah. Amy is wearing basically the underwear I'm having on right now. So that's a lie. 100%. Yeah.

[01:39:39] So overall, this is, is this the second year you've done the event? This is year four, year, year four. So we are behind. Wow. Inside the line is really, really far behind of this. Well, I had never thought about doing something like, or talking to anyone about doing something like this. And so from year one, the year four, is there been a progression and participation? Yeah. I think our first year we had 40 or 50 people. And year two is similar.

[01:40:09] Last year we had just under a hundred. And now this year we had 140. Wow. Nice. Ooh, there's a win. Year over year. Yep. And you're up like five fold since year one. Yeah. And now I'm going to be living up here, which is, was a huge, you know, I want to be up here personally, obviously, but a huge draw for me as well was like becoming more integrated in the running community and the cat skills, because I have this map here. Now we're bringing a hundred miler up here.

[01:40:39] And like, I love running up here. So I haven't spent a lot of, yeah, I haven't spent a lot of time, like really integrating up here and I'm excited to do that. I think it's going to be fun to see this event grow now that I'm up here full time. So now that you dropped, now that you dropped it, why don't you tell us about, a hundred catskill hundred mile, the first in the cat skills, maybe the last to be in the cat skills, but it will be like the marquee event. Yeah.

[01:41:08] Catskill trail running. Yeah. Tell us about it. How did it come about? When's it going down? I've been trying to come up with ideas for expansion for this event in particular for probably over a year now. And, um, at some point I was like, there, there should be a hundred miler in the cat skills. Like, why isn't there a hundred miler? It's really because it's a logistical nightmare. You know, there's no cell service anywhere. It's extremely dangerous.

[01:41:37] The connections are difficult to connect everything. Yeah. And then the permitting to like, once you can connect everything to make a hundred miles, who's going to allow you to use popular trails that, you know, like we are lucky enough that the course includes the devil, the entire devil's path is how the course pretty much starts. Um, and so, yeah, I mean, it's a crazy course. It has over 27,000 feet of climbing and descending. That's brutal.

[01:42:10] Um, and I'm really excited because I, I had three different ideas for a hundred milers. One, this was my first, you know, priority, but we had a lot of problems initially. Well, one, just, I feel like people did not think it was a great idea. Um, I got a lot of like, this is a terrible idea. This is a mistake. You're going to invest all your time into this.

[01:42:38] And it's going to be crazy. It's going to take over your life and you know, it's going to be so hard and people don't want to do hard things. And I disagree. I think that now's the time to introduce a really hard hundred miler, um, on the East coast, because there's not a lot of them in the Northeast. There's really one right now. It's Jigger Johnson and New Hampshire. Actually, Haley is competing in that right now. Correctly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Haley was supposed to be here today. Uh, she wanted, she was said,

[01:43:08] she sent me so many messages. Oh yeah. I wish I could have been there. She's like, I'm like, she probably would have been done by now. So yeah, she's doing, I think the 30 K or 20 K or something at, uh, yeah, we, I'm keeping an eye. I'm watching for you. I'm just watching. So you can be there. You'll drop the mic. I'm dropping and running. Um, but yeah, I'm excited. The hundred will be, I think one of a, one of a kind. And, um, so this is kind of like the new tradition of the escarpment run. Do you think like, this will be the, yeah, I mean,

[01:43:38] that's 1977. I mean, I think people are going to want to, I think this route has the potential to not only be an iconic running race, but a route that people might look at outside of the race and want to do as a backpacking trip or, you know, like that it, the point, I think it has the highlights of the cat skills. I mean, you get 12 of the 33 high peaks.

[01:44:07] You do the whole devil's path. You get Hunter. Um, and the whole burrows range, any bushwhacking, no, all trails, not no bushwhacking. I was just curious. I was curious. I mean, the DC was, it was a no go on the bushwhacking. Yeah. DC's. Yeah. They don't want that. And especially put $600,000 in the devil's path, Hunter mountain. Where else are they going? So they do the East side of the devil's path.

[01:44:33] Then they go from notch Lake up to Hunter and down to Spruceton. And then they run a short section of road on Spruceton road to the Western Termina. So the devil's path come back on the Western side, back to notch Lake and then come down. Is it the Phoenicia East branch trail all the way down to Phoenicia? Okay. And then once they're in Phoenicia,

[01:45:00] they go down to Woodland Valley campground and then do the, come back up, do the burrows range. Yeah. So where's the finish then? So then parking area. Nope. So they'll keep going burrows range. And then they will go down to Biscuit Brook and over Eagle, Big Indian, Balsam and come down to Beller.

[01:45:24] So the idea is that the end of the hundred miler will be around 2 PM when climate for climate is happening. Oh, gotcha. Wow. So you're going to have a lot going on. There's going to be a lot going on. Yeah. It's going to be a little crazy. See that. What is that? Zach Galifianakis. Yes. That's me. That's that's yeah. That's crazy. That's awesome. You guys are getting like the first, um,

[01:45:52] we're breaking first info about the hundred, you know, the running kind of, did you talk about this last night? Yeah, a little bit. We not long, you know, we had just took questions from the people that were there last night and did a, the first announced it was great. Yeah. I mean, I love a live podcast. You have any sense of what the level of interest is for a hundred miler in the Catskills? Um, we have a list, right? So the two main goals of the event,

[01:46:18] one is that I wanted somewhere that is a hub for conservation because that's what our priority always is with the running kind. And so I want the runners to leave feeling like they have a better understanding of why it's important to be connected to the trails and and preserve and, you know, advocate for them. And then two, um, we're really focused on having a female event team and getting 50% of the

[01:46:47] start line to be women, which is historically, as you go longer distance is hard. Um, so right now we have a hundred spots, 50 of those spots are reserved for women. And then of, uh, those 50 spots, we have about a list of 20 women right now that we are extending early invitations to that we've talked to and are interested in the event. Um, last night there were, I want to say three or four guys that were running the 25 K today that we're like, we're in nice.

[01:47:16] I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be an interesting, I'm optimistic that there's going to be a lot of interest. What's your expectation of getting a hundred participants for year one? I don't know. Realistic goal. I do. I do. But also like, you know, I, sometimes I feel like it's more, how do I, I've been thinking about this idea for a year. So for me, I'm like,

[01:47:44] I think a hundred people definitely will want to run this race. I think it's more a question of, can I take the time I've spent building this in my head and, uh, you know, be able to convey what this course is and what the race will be. And the short time we have before the race, because ideally like, you know, registration would be open already, but I just heard from the DEC a week ago.

[01:48:12] And before that they had told me, no. So we went from like, okay, we're giving up the hundred, maybe 20, 28 to moving to the cat skills to getting ready for this race. And amidst all that, getting an email from Ian at the DEC being like, Hey, we're approving your event. And I was like, shit. Okay. So limiting you to a hundred people,

[01:48:40] or is that a limitation that you're putting on yourself? 150, but that, that includes staff, um, and pacers and all that. So I'm going to have like, uh, catskill mountain search and rescue and stuff involved with aid station. Search and rescue is so stoked. Let me, let me know because I am, I'm really well acquainted with them. So nice. Cool. Yeah. They're like, I think they're like, we're going to get some practice. Oh, hell yeah. I mean, it was a hundred miles. What are eight stations? Are there going to be like, what's your project? Nine aid stations,

[01:49:11] nine aid stations. Farthest distance I think is 12 miles. That's a good distance. So that's a really good distance. Holy shit. So, but comparatively like Jager Johnson, the farthest aid station is 20 miles. Wow. Similar terrain. And that's up in the whites, right? Wow. So a little bit better sport. Logistical problem that you're dealing with in your head now to make this happen. People. People getting volunteers. Yeah. I think it's like, you know, and just like having the operation of,

[01:49:40] I can only be one race director. And so it's really, now it's important for me to find a right-hand person. Kim Levinsky has talked about being on board, but obviously she's hosting a plethora of events as well. And so she's supporting, but I don't know if it will be in that official capacity on race day. And so I really need to find a counterpart that I feel confident in and,

[01:50:10] and continue building out the core team to make sure. I know. I hear all those bells and I'm just like, Oh, something's happening. I know. Right. Some little kid that's going on crazy, but yeah. So it's really the, the people, the volunteers, I think in terms of like communications, we'll, we'll be able to figure, figure that out with the star links and ham radio and whatnot. Um, it's really just making sure we have the right people that like have

[01:50:39] experience at events like this that I can trust because we've done, this year was the first year we did a backyard ultra and that went for 34 hours. And that was my first time. Like I was on two hours of sleep, um, which was fine for 34 hours, but this will be 51 hours of running. So probably 60 plus hours of working. Wow. And I'm going to need like a solid sleep in that timeframe.

[01:51:09] So. Well, all right. You're being called. I'm out. Thank you so much, Amy. Have a good day. Amy joins us, uh, from the running kind. We have some bells of something going on. We don't know what's going on, but, uh, is this Val? I don't know. I know a guy is a guy. I was going to say the guy was falling down from the top. So I didn't know that was a thing at these events to do cowbells. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:51:39] Neither did I, but Amy's running up to the fucking top. Jesus. I'm going to have one of these Hudson Norths. Oh yeah, she is. She's running so fast. She's almost falling downhill coming through the final turn. It's her right hander. Uh, I'm not sure. It doesn't look like it. It might've been somebody that Todd bold passed going uphill on the eight K coming in an hour later. Oh yeah.

[01:52:09] No shit. Amy's running with her. Yeah. Yeah. This, this person's. Is this, this is a female leading the whole thing. So we have a female winning the race. So awesome. Damn straight. Well, that's freaking crushed it. Uh, we'll get her name in a second. Uh, I don't have any updates right now of who is running. We don't have tags on them. They probably have GPS monitors on their phone,

[01:52:38] but the government only controls that with flock cameras. Yes. God. I love that. I love having no sponsors that limit us. So this, uh, if this is the first male finisher, this guy is, this kid is gotta be under 20 years old, ripping it up. That young kid with the blue shirt. First male. I don't believe that. No, I don't. He looks like he's suffering. Like he's the first male finisher. I mean, he looks so young. He's got this big backpack on.

[01:53:07] It looks like a young version of Todd bold. Frankly, Todd already finished four hours. The size of that pack. Tad. There's some, some France cyclists over there to your left saying like, this is a rookie work to us. This is working stuff. Oh yeah. The old Tad. Todd's looking at their, Ted's looking at their bikes. I don't know what that is, but, but all I know is that we, we have a female finisher. Uh, what is it? Uh, we started at eight 30, 11 35.

[01:53:36] So just over three hours of, uh, time. So, yeah. So once again, the last record was, uh, two hours and 43 minutes for male, two hours, 58 minutes for female. Well, who that female finisher was? She certainly blew away the pack. I guess so. Right behind her. Yeah. You know, big gap. There's nobody in sight. Nobody here. The cyclist. And then she's off running again. Yeah.

[01:54:05] She's doing another lap. All right. So another 25 game. She's gone. No backpack. I don't understand what's going on. Yeah. I know she's going to challenge Todd bold to a heat. And I, after I get done with a hike, I just want to sit in my car with the air conditioning and cry. Yeah. Yeah. She didn't have any hydration, no self-respecting trail runners wearing that. Okay. Well, there you go.

[01:54:34] She came down the hill faster than a skier. Well, then it was good to have Amy on. Amy told us all about the event and new event coming up with the 100. Okay. That's going to be insane. So, uh, yeah. So it's a pretty good and pretty good time. We, we've got some people coming down slowly, but surely this part of these people look like they're having a good time, but not having a good time. Not, not Todd bold time.

[01:55:03] Let's just say that they're more of an emphasis on not having a good time. I think having a good time left them at the starting line. And since then it's been an increasing level of suffering. Well, once again, uh, we had Amy talking about how they cleared the nettles over on McKinley hollow, but not on the balsam Lake rider hollow or balsam hide rider hollow. That's a good one. I got to admit those are nettles are tough going up through there. So that guy looks like he's trying to wick the, uh,

[01:55:33] the nettles off of his legs. Still, that's a pretty good climb from McKinley hollow to balsam. Like even there's the junction is pretty good. Steep climb McKinley hollow to the junction. Yeah, that's legit. That is legit stuff. Plus for, if you're trail running it, it's really not a wide or stable trail. I mean, it's, you know, a lot of loose rock, loose rock, their loose grit through their narrow sketchy.

[01:56:04] This guy looks like he's going to be happy to finish. I don't think there's going to be a bit more happy. He's zigzagging. He's adding more miles to his fricking like the final arm throw up in the air for the photo moment. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, there should be switchbacks on here. Nope. Nope. It's straight up, but he's like definitely done running. Some people continue running after the finish. This guy, no, totally put it into park. Yeah. That woman's racing his partner, but he's done for the day. Yeah. It's, uh,

[01:56:33] hopefully we'll hold out. I mean, we're, we're running on recording for another finisher coming in three hours and nine minutes. I mean, we take breaks. I think she was part of the, uh, Todd bold eight K crew might be. Yeah. Putting a little shuffle under her feet. Now she's going to finish strong for the photo moment coming in, throwing the hands up in the air early. Yeah. Yeah. Shaking them now. Once again, where's that kid? We got to find that kid.

[01:57:03] Maybe have him come over here on here. Uh, I saw him earlier, but once again, that, that female, that finishes, is gone, gone. I don't see her even in the parking area, but I do hear some Ozzy Osbourne. Could hear that in the beginning. So cool stuff, cool stuff going on. We're running on three hours and nine minutes right now. And we're down to like two listeners. Not even, I don't even know. If you made it this far,

[01:57:32] you're going to hook you up with a free psychological evaluation. Cause you, cause you need one. Yeah. Amy's got to have something out there. Cause these runners that do these 25 K's have got to need some psychological evaluations for how much pain they, they have. 140, 140. Last year she had a hundred. She said she had 140 this year. Yeah. So it's growing. And now she's going to introduce the hundred miler.

[01:58:02] I'm sure that's going to put it on the radar screen for a lot of more legit and serious trail runners. Not to say that she doesn't have them already here. Yeah. Right. Definitely. Definitely. And the 100 K's are big. Go out West is there's a lot of hundred guys. I'm sure when Todd Bolt signed up, he brought in those other 40 year people that signed up for their share. Not a hundred K. Yeah. A hundred. That's a little. A is a 64 miles. Insanity. Yeah. Insanity. So,

[01:58:32] I mean, uh, if, if it is a hundred K, it is 62 miles. Uh, but she said, where did she didn't specify where it started? She say it started from devil's path. And then ends down at, uh, down here. So you're winding up devil's path. You go up West kill. You loop around back to notch Lake, and then you go notch bake. You got the road or no, wait, they're going up Warner Creek to tremper, uh, up to Wittenberg, Cornell.

[01:59:02] Wow. This is, this is complicated. Awesome. This is going to be a great route. A hundred. Wow. You're going to be dealing with all sorts of shit in the cat skills that you could ever think about dealing with. This is East coast madness for the 100 K. Like you thought the devil's path was with something else, but we'll see what's going on here. So, uh, well, there's not a lot of people crossing the line. There's nobody crossing the finish line. Like I said, that lady that finished is gone.

[01:59:32] Don't see her. I look back and I, I don't even see her in the, yeah. She, Todd, Todd said she, she has another race in open Albany. She had to stop at Stewart's to get her, uh, her meatballs. And a coffee, and then go up to another race in Albany before the weather kicks in. We do have clouds coming in. We do have some dark clouds coming in. So I don't know where it's going to hit, but I, I'm going to check out hikers weather and check that out. So, uh,

[02:00:01] new app that is brought together by Tim Luby from, uh, the Catskill trail conditions. And once again, uh, I, I don't know if I mentioned this before, but there's a petition that I have out there for the, the clearing of vistas or the DC actually review the vistas that we have out there that are currently growing in, which is a substantial amount. Um, um, check that out. That's on Catskill trail conditions. And I'll do a post about that on Instagram, social media, but I highly doubt anybody's still listening at this time,

[02:00:30] um, for that. So it looks like, dude, I still have on the weather forecast. It's not coming in till after 5 PM. Yeah. So we're, we're looking, we're looking good. I'm, I'm holding Tim Luby accounts accountable for this shit because, it's his, uh, his app. So sorry, Tim. If, if we get rained on, um, and my stuff gets damaged, you are held accountable and you are going to pay for it. Yes. Uh,

[02:01:00] there's somebody coming down from the, the thing, but I think that was a gondola ride person. Todd. God damn it. We interviewed Todd. Yeah. The flock cameras caught it. So we got flock cameras up and down. So this person is not fortunately. So did we get a running kind t-shirt? Those are nice. I'm going to have to talk to Amy about that. Those are beautiful.

[02:01:31] Just let you know, this has been confirmed that the person that's coming down right now is not from the gondola. She actually did the, the race. She's got a tag on unless she's sneakily got up the gondola, but good for her. Kudos to her. So now we have the first place finisher of the climate for climate. Maeve. Correct. Yes, that is correct. So, uh, what was your time? Great question. I was a little over three hours. God damn. It is. There's an,

[02:01:57] I think they're having a new course record for starting this year because the course itself is different. It's about a mile longer, more elevation than previously. Um, which is cool. So awesome. Yeah. Wow. Unbelievable. So three hours, uh, what'd you think of the course? Like where did it like easy and then most difficult. It was hard from the very, very beginning to the very end. Um,

[02:02:23] the beginning you have two miles with this really steady climb coming out of aid station two was the hardest because the climb is massive. It's long. It's really technical and you're really tired after about 11 miles. I felt like I could let my legs go a bit because you have the majority of the climbing over, but what's left are all of the, what in trail running we call douchebag grades.

[02:02:53] So there are hills that are very runnable. No, never heard that before. There are hills that are very runnable, but, uh, by that time you do not want to run them. So they're really hard coming down. The end was tough. Cause it's all super loose rock. I did take a half mile detour or so at the end. Um, because I went the wrong way, which was exciting.

[02:03:20] So then I did see second place at the time who was then in first place. And I was like, well, that, that can't stand. So I had to really book it at the end. So overall first place, female and males. Yes. Wow. Unbelievable. Punished it. What'd you, did you hit any, uh, spot of nettles? That's the big conversation that we're having. She did an incredible job. I had no problems. Disappointing. Yeah, I know. I mean, you have to deal with the nettles when you're in the Catskills or it's not a complete cats. Well,

[02:03:50] I have to come back then. That's, that's fantastic. Like, so you, where's aid station two? Do you remember? Station two is about eight and a half miles in. Okay. And you're coming up what you just came down. So McKinley hollow. Yeah. So you're hitting kind of like the most difficult spot. Is definitely in the most challenging, but the benefit is that you're also seeing the other runners who are coming down.

[02:04:18] So there's a lot of camaraderie, which was really wonderful. But also are you telling them to get the hell out of the way? Cause you're trying to say, Oh, see, see, that's the great thing with trail running. People know if you're coming up, then you get the right of way. Nice. So it's really great. Everyone is so courteous. And a lot of these people I've had the pleasure of meeting previously at other running kind events. So I could cheer them on and they could cheer me on.

[02:04:48] So this is not your first event. It's not. I ran come on Armageddon in May. Did you win that? I was first overall. Yes. I did. So I want to know, how do you feel now? It's, it's over like the, there's the buildup to the event. There's the event, there's the finishing first. And now you're sitting here after all this hard effort. What does it feel like? It feels wonderful because I get to go home with my family and have a great meal, hang out with my cat, Steve.

[02:05:18] I'm a fairly simple person. Like I love running and I love the trails. But winning a race is a very, very small part of what I love about running because there are going to be plenty of races I run that I won't win. So I do get to really lean into this moment, which is nice. But even if it hadn't gone the way I wanted it to, I'm still going to get to go home with the people I love. And that'll be the best thing.

[02:05:48] What are you looking forward to to having that at home? Oh, wings. Yeah. Is that everybody's like, like, like pizza and wings. Wings. Everybody's. So I'm originally from Maryland. So I need old bay wings. Oh, some French fries. What are they called? Way wings. Old bay wing. Oh, the seasoning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. No, no, no, no, no. A dry rub, old bay, extra crispy French fries on the side.

[02:06:16] Is that the key to your running successes? It might be. It might be. The old bay seasoning or is it the combination of the French fries and the chicken wings? I think old bay might be the secret to everything. Yeah. So as, as we like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So now we had a sponsor hair. Red bull. Now that's a first actually. So when you came down here, I was noticing you didn't have like any backpack or like,

[02:06:44] did you fully go out on age station, age station and stuff? So I have a running bell. I have gels in the front and then I have two ultra spire bottles, which have carb mixes in them. And so at age stations, I would swap them out. And I'd put the one I wasn't using in my back pocket. Are you a type of person? Once again, we talked to with Jeremy who won the AK. Do you monitor your heart rate? Do you monitor? You just go.

[02:07:11] I think that the less data you have is typically better. The only thing that I have on my watch is navigation. So Amy's amazing. She gives us the course map prior to the race. A lot of races don't do that. And I think they should, especially with trail running. It's easy to get lost. Even if a lot of this is an out and back, I still took a wrong turn. And my watch told me that. No, it was like, what can you watch? Yeah. I have a Coros pace three. Okay. Okay. I'm just curious.

[02:07:41] I've, I've, I've just integrated into complex, uh, watches. So like I have a Garmin Phoenix eight. Yes. Well, I think in general, the less that you have, the better, you know, it's like if you, if you have so much data that you no longer have intuition and you're running, then it really won't serve you. Cause at some point, none of this is going to work. Like my heart rate monitor died. So I, I have that. Cause afterwards I'm curious. And like, what were my heart rate spikes,

[02:08:11] but I know when my heart rate spiked, it was going up McKinley hollow. Correct. So I get you're a minimalist in terms of data collection on, on trail and monitoring it. But what the Catskill hiking community wants to know is you're going down McKinley hollow. It's steep. It's loose surface, right? There's gotta be a lot of skidding, a lot of sliding foot placement and all that's a concern. What,

[02:08:39] what are you using for running shoes and how well were they today? So I am wearing the Metafuji. This is by a six. This is a racing trail shoe. You would not want to use it if you were hiking. And I would actually say on highly technical terrain, it's probably not the best option. There are other trail shoes that have more grip and are a little bit more stable that I'd probably recommend. I do wear a lot of a six.

[02:09:05] The Tribuca max is the one I really like because it's fantastic to run in on technical terrain. This worked well for me. I did roll my ankles probably six times, but when I'm going downhill, the key to that is no matter what shoes you're wearing, you just have to take really tiny steps and you can't run fearful. The more fear that you have, the more likely it is that something bad will happen. So you just take very tiny steps and you trust your body.

[02:09:34] Gotcha. That's all great. Are you looking for a sponsor or something? That sounds like it's, it's, it's well written out. Yeah. That's really, you can have a cider company. I was going to say, you know, I, I would, uh, if, if someone was interested, I'll, I'll always, how many races have you done in the Catskills Hudson Valley area? This is my first one. First one. Wow. And she fucking nails it. Also, if you run raced elsewhere. So I'm barely new to running. I've only been trail,

[02:10:05] uh, and ultra running for the past year. This is, I don't do a ton of sub ultra distances. Um, I have done, obviously the race, I previously mentioned come on Armageddon with the running kind. I ran a USATF off road trail race a few weekends ago. Um, I was first place female for that. So that was also exciting. Uh, I will be running at the U S mountain running championships,

[02:10:33] which is also exciting. So that's in the future. Where's that really? That is in New Hampshire. Usually. I like how that you have to qualify for that. So I don't know. You do not. This is, this is actually, I'm very new to this world. So if anyone's listening and that's different, that's not true, then they can say that. Um, I, I,

[02:11:23] we'll be doing that one again. That was in Maryland and also technical really, really exciting spots in Maryland. There are, there are, you do have to search. Interesting. All right. Oh yeah, I got to search them out. So now when you came down here, uh, you finished and then all of a sudden you two took off and I seriously, it's like, Oh, she's gone. She's going to Stewart's to get something to eat. So, uh, what, what was that all about? Like that was the cool down, the cool down. So as, as I'm not a running,

[02:11:53] so what, what's a cool down? So a cool down, the purpose of a cool down is to allow your body to actually have some active recovery after a hard effort. One of the worst things you can do after something really challenging is to just sit down your muscles, cramp, everything gets tight. It's actually a real recipe for injury. So if I am able, which after come on Armageddon, I was not able, but if I am able,

[02:12:21] I will run somewhere between 15 and 20 minutes, really slow, really easy just to keep the body moving. It's also every race I do is a training stimulus. So it helps to, um, improve the benefits of that stimulus. Because when I, when I did this race, I, you know, I am now a stronger runner because of it. And when you run on fatigued legs, you can actually continue to improve that strength. So that's, that is why I do it.

[02:12:50] Impressive. So no, like popping beers at the end and just, no, I don't drink much to my father's chagrin. He's over there. Nothing. He didn't throw you a beer when you finish. Like you chug it. Okay. And that's, I find that fantastic. Like, like all of a sudden you just seriously went by and she's gone. And I was like, and she's out of here. So, but I mean, we thought you were going off to another race, frankly, cause you look so fresh as you can. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

[02:13:20] So what, what would be your advice to a young person who's looking to get into trail running? Um, what is something that you learned along the way that was like a breakthrough moment for you that you want to pass on to somebody else out there that's looking to get into trail running? Race often. And it's okay. If you're not prepared for it, for the most part,

[02:13:44] obviously if you have never run a hundred miles and you're going to go do a hundred mile race and the longest run you did was 15 miles, maybe that's not the best option, but for the most part, even if you think that you are not qualified or prepared to show up at a trail race, you should just do it because with trail running, you run what you can and you hike what you have to, uh, every race I do,

[02:14:11] I'm going to power hike sections of it because that's just inevitable. And what holds you back is when you don't show up. So I used to not race because I was fearful of failure, but with trail running, there's always, no matter how good you are, the best runners in the world, they fail all the time. So for anyone who's new, the best thing you can do is to practice not fearing that failure and just sign up for the next race.

[02:14:41] Sounds like great advice. Yeah. Fantastic advice. So, um, once again, thank you for joining us and congratulations on your win of the climate for climate event. Uh, good luck in the future. We'll hopefully hear from you in the future. So I hope so. Yes, I will be there. I will be. Oh no shit. Well then. All right. So we'll, we got a future candidate for the winner of the hundred miler. Yeah. So we'll see it. Uh, have a good day. Thank you. You too.

[02:15:07] So now we got Crosby first place male finisher Crosby. Uh, let's, let's first, first. I know this sounds weird. How old are you? I am 20, 20 years old. Cross it. What was your time? Uh, I'm not sure the exact time I had this straw recording pulled up, but I just saved it. Uh, I think it was like, it was just over three hours, like three or one something. Your first time. Well, have you ever run any events before? Uh, this is my first time at this event. Um, I've done a couple of, um,

[02:15:37] other trail races up in the Adirondacks and the whites. Um, but first time over here. Awesome. What'd you think? It was brutal. It was, it was, it was beautiful. But, uh, especially that, uh, second climb going up from McKinley hollow up to balsam. It's, it's brutal, especially because you're, you're starting lower than that other side for the aid station and you're going up higher. Um, and then just like going down the same trail that you'll, you know, you'll have to come back up. It was, uh, mentally challenging, but I had a good time.

[02:16:06] We're thinking as you're going down into McKinley hollow is like, Holy shit, I got to come back up. This is that what we were going through your head, that this is like steep, narrow, and treacherous. Uh, definitely partly. I was, I was more just trying to stay in the moment, trying to get down, uh, as, as fast as I could, like while conserving enough to stick out the next, you know, seven or eight miles. But, and was anybody ahead of you at that time? Uh, not at that point. Uh, I know Maeve,

[02:16:36] the elite female is right behind me going down that one. Uh, we had traded leads, uh, throughout the entire time. So it was really awesome to be able to work with her. So crazy. Did you like, uh, any part of this run where you like flowing to, to the point of where you're just like, Hey man, I got this. This is good coasting speed. I got, I got this as, as a win. Or are you just basically like, yeah, I'm going to finish. Uh, I think first,

[02:17:04] maybe 10 miles or so definitely felt pretty smooth and relaxed. Um, but it was, yeah, like I said, going up that second climb, I kind of hit a wall. Um, I'm not, I'm not going to be honest there, but, um, I kind of redeemed myself, um, at the summit of Bel Air on that, you know, the final climb before the gondola. Um, that was where I was like, you know, I have three miles left. Uh, might as well just give everything I have. Nice. So are you like, um,

[02:17:34] I always ask this, like, you know, are you checking your heart rate, stuff like that? Are you doing anything or are you just running? Uh, I do occasionally. Um, it's heart rate is, it's kind of, uh, I didn't wear like a accurate monitor. Um, I go mostly just based off of effort. Um, nice. I do check on the uphills, especially initially, just to make sure I'm not going out too, too fast.

[02:18:02] Cause that is a danger for sure. And like, uh, you have your pack. Do you have a pack on you? Like one of those running packs, two water bottles, leader, like a bladder in the back. What are you, what are you carrying? Uh, I just had two liters, um, in the back, uh, with scratch and then some cliff blocks, uh, in the front pockets. You guys are crazy. I carry a full on like 40 pound pack. When I, when I go hiking and you guys are running eights.

[02:18:30] Cause he's done in under four hours and you're out there for 40 hours. Little bit of a difference. That's true. I'm thinking, I'm just like, man, I'm going to hike this up later. Should I go with nothing or should I just go up with my pack? I'm going to go up in my pack. So amazing. Like, uh, like any, any thoughts, like, uh, you get to the top and, and see like the view and you're just like mesmerized, but then you're also like, shit, I got to finish. Let's run. Yeah. I mean, the view is beautiful, especially up by the gondola, but,

[02:19:00] uh, that was more just trying to get to the finish. Um, and of course there's that nice view up by balsam as well, but I think it to see that was more just focusing straight ahead. Yeah. Oh, that's a nice view. Let's go. Let's keep going. Um, uh, what else? Uh, so like any parts of the, the race where you started like, like kind of like cramping up or had any problems or something? Like that, or was it smooth flowing? definitely up, up on balsam.

[02:19:29] I started cramping up a bit. Um, and then kind of that stretch between balsam and Belair going, um, on that return. Um, that was the most uncomfortable for me, but, uh, I think I got a mental boost once I hit the Ridge there. And from then on, it was mostly smooth sailing. Nice. That's good. It's good to hear. It's good to hear. So we have our first place male finisher here with, with us, uh, uh, Crosby, right. Um, sorry, just names are flying all over the place today.

[02:19:58] So we're trying to, trying to keep up. Um, uh, will you be back next year? Uh, I'm actually going to be studying abroad in the summer next year. So unfortunately not, but, uh, hopefully some year in the future, I'd love to come back. So where are you studying? Yeah. Uh, I'm a student at Middlebury college up in Vermont. Okay. Yep. Nice. I know what Middlebury. So where are you going abroad? Uh, I'm going, uh, to Mainz in Germany. Okay. Yeah. And what are you studying over there? Uh,

[02:20:27] so I'm a beer making German beer. No, uh, yeah. Would you go there? Yeah. Sadly, not that, but I'm a geography major, so I'll probably take maybe one or two courses related to that. Um, I'm also, since I'm up there, you know, just taking advantage of what they have there, whether it's taking a course on German literature or something else that isn't offered in the U S or beer making. I'm just saying again, it's true. Very cool. Very cool.

[02:20:57] So thanks for joining us, Krabi. Congrats. Um, you know, hopefully we'll see you back here, running again, maybe in a future, you know, 18 K or 25, 15 K, whatever would 25 K. We have a hundred. She has a hundred K coming up. So we better see you there or, or out or else, or else we'll, we'll feed you some German beers. All right. Thanks for joining us, man. Thanks so much. Maybe, maybe he listens in batches.

[02:21:24] Maybe he does like get six together and does a six pack. That's like 18 to 24 hours of podcast. He does a marathon. He has all of his friends over, get some hard ciders in the fridge and they just pull an all nighter. I can see it happening. The content is just that good. Hey everyone. So if you've listened this far, I really thank you because that was a long time. And, uh, apparently I screwed up or we screwed up towards the end of the show.

[02:21:53] And it really wasn't recording us as well. So thank you for listening to the live show episode at climate for climate run with Amy from the running kind and everything else is really, really great one to run. We had a great time. So as that happened, I want to go over what we left off with. So I'm very, very thankful that that happened towards the end of the show and everything we're covering, I could just do right now. So we didn't lose any of the like coverage or stuff that we had going on at that time. So really, really thankful. Cool.

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[02:23:51] we or I'll chat about it on the show. Tag us by typing at ITL Catskill MTM podcast on your post. Sorry if I didn't see you on Facebook. It's really weird once again. But, Scott, Scott, Catskill Mountains Brew, was up playing around in the Adirondacks again, tackling the Santanoni Range, then knocking off Allen Nippletop Dial, and got up to number 40 when doing Marshall. Holy crap, Scott, you're killing it. Joanne, beyond blazes, was up with Scott,

[02:24:19] knocking off the Santanoni Range as well, and she did a bunch of other hikes with Scott, as did Kate. Henderson Hikes did a gruesome 20-mile hike to tag Allen Mountain in the Adirondacks with Scott and Joanne, then did Nippletop and Dial for some more Adirondack Peak. You guys are crushing it all over the place. Also, Kelsey did the night again and saw a group of 60 people sign in at the register at the Denning Park area. Kelsey,

[02:24:47] I wonder if this was part of that nine-person rescue on that area. Off in the woods, Sean went up the Curtis Onsby Trail on Slide and then did the Sprucedon Loop and got to see Ghost Pipes all over the place with a beautiful view on Rusk. One of his favorites now. Yama Inyaro, a.k.a. Jacqueline, went up the Mink Hollow Trail from the Lake Hill side and I got to see her at the Climate for Climate run. Congratulations, Jacqueline, on completing that. Last but not least, Tracy, a.k.a. PinkPony18,

[02:25:17] had the best day ever and reunited with some of her original scrambler bitches at Shunamuck State Park. Thank you everyone who tagged us in the show. I really appreciate it. Glad you're getting out there and having those good hikes. So, Catskill News, volunteer 3500 Club, Catskill Trail Crew, Catskill Mountains Clubs, Visitor Center, Jolly Rovers Trail Crew, any fire tower, and of course, if you need free stickers, let me know. How about we break into the weather forecast?

[02:25:48] Here is your weekend weather forecast. It looks to be a decent weekend for hiking, except Sunday will have a risk of rain and tea storms, so make sure you bring your weather gear. On Friday, August 21st, expect clear skies in the morning, to some clouds in late in the evening, a high of 63, a low of 54, and a wind chill down to 50 degrees. On Saturday, August 22nd, expect cloudy skies in the morning, to some clouds in the afternoon,

[02:26:17] a high of 55, a low of 52, and there are no wind chills, because there's going to be no wind. On Sunday, expect rain in the morning, with a risk of thunderstorms, in both the afternoon and evening, a high of 57, a low of 50, and at night, it's going to be a low of 43. On Sunday, don't expect any views, as the cloud base will be below 2,000 feet. So once again, enjoy the weekend, and be safe, be prepared,

[02:26:45] and don't become tomorrow's rescue story. Most likely inaccurate, so thanks for that weather forecast. Once again, I want to thank you, if you've still listened to this episode, or deep into the episode, and once again, we had a little malfunction, but want to get on to the last set of sponsors, and then I'll let you guys go. So is it time for some new gear, for hiking in the Catskill? Say no more. Camp Catskill in Tannersville, has all your hiking needs. Footwear,

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