Episode 136 - Listener Spotlight Joe Teutonico

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_03]: The Bushwax were some of the worst days I've ever had in the mountains or in life really.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas pants and mountains totally opposite, it's a mountain. I'm talking with a crazy person.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that weather challenges on this incident where a particular difficult...

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It is really a bit of a bell and minute to be like, stint! Castles were with her sponsor.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm here!

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're listening to Inside The Line.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Catskill Mountains Podcast.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Joe, you said that you two previously met?

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have to admit to that.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I met...

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we knew each other technically through social media.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But my screen just went blank for some reason. We're still recording, right?

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, cool.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, we met technically, I guess, through social media.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But then we wound up not really making plans to hike, but just kind of like, I'm going to be here that day.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we wound up kind of like crossing paths, which was cool.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I was super new. I was like a complete rookie, even though it was...

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, year and a half ago. I just started hiking in the mountains.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's funny because he promised not to make fun of me on.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just making fun of myself.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Right? No, right? Right.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was trying to snush you for the first time.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember I tails on my snout shoes.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was under the belief that like, if you weighed over 200 pounds, I read somewhere that like, you're supposed to use tails.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Even though on this rugged rocky terrain, you know, is the devil's path going up...

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Not the really tough part, but like the park going up, you know, hunter.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we met at the end of Spruceton Road heading out the trail to Diamond Nodge Falls.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And I saw Joe ahead of me.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And I gave Joe some pointers and look where Joe is today. He's on a podcast.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Really? A great traction device. I have literally the list that you sent me.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Refer to my 10 point crampons, the Span's winner.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice. And we're going to hear tonight how Joe now goes all over.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the place. There's like, like the, you're post this past weekend.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It looks like you were just hanging on the edge of death there, looking over this gully.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't even think I would get that worse myself.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you stashed? Wow.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've been all over the fingerlicks. I love my friend lives up there right in Penaean.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, I wouldn't say the heart of it, but very close.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So, all right. So welcome to episode 136 of Inside the Land of Catsco Mountains podcast.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight we have Joe T. How do you say your last name? Two, two tonnico.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like botanics to go.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. Two tonnics to go.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll take two gin and tonnics to go.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: How about we just call you hiker Joey and why? Just Joe.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Hiker Joe, hiker Joe sounds really good. What a good name.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's going to be joining us talking about Joe has been all over Frick and New York state.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm jealous as heck as what you have been doing because I, you know,

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just I'm just like flabbergasted by how much you've been all over New York state.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He's been everywhere. So he's going to talk about his journey around New York state.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Joe gets around like he's independently wealthy or he married into money.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're still working. Like what do you do? And I'm like, like,

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: only post on Saturdays and Sundays. So it's like a suddenly, you know,

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_03]: so long as your boss is an asking you,

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_04]: you still work.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Well, no, that would not be a good.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. You post like six or seven like different trails on Saturday and Sunday. So it's absolutely insane.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was well. I was on the Bristol Hills branch of the Finger Lakes Trail.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was in cotton gully, but it's also part of the greater kind of high tour wildlife management area.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was going from a separate entrance that's kind of lesser used. It's like a fishing access.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Side and it gives you, if you do the full sort of like double loop with three different ascents up to the plateau,

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: you can actually get over 3000 feet of elevation gain. So that's one of my hacks that I've done to train.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I've literally just spent time. I found trails just studying topographic maps of the area looking for public land on, you know,

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and I've been over there. I actually did a backpacking trip over in the high tour management area started at Conklin, Scully.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I forget where we ended, but it was on the top of the plateau in a parking area that absolutely nobody should have like been.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was just absolutely insane. And, and awesome time we freaking went up Conklin, Scully in like rocks because we had, you know,

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: we had to go through all the waterfalls and stuff like that. It's just absolutely phenomenal. But anyway, let's get back on track. We'll talk about that stuff later on.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So this Sunday, so we will be at, well, I will be at so far confirmed when the valley trailhead for the DEC and 3500 club adopt the trailhead program. I'll be there.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably just promote in the podcast, not really for the 3500 club or I'm just kidding. Now, I'll be there to teach and preach about the trail systems and the cat skills. Hopefully leave no trace stuff like that.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Get the word out about that. I don't know, tad it hasn't confirmed yet.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, now that you say, teach and preach. I'm not quite sure I have a hiking Bible. Do I need to bring a Bible? If you're preaching a himnol?

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what exactly are you planning for Sunday?

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm teaching and preaching about the podcast. That's only thing.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe I'll show.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be there this Sunday.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Stop on by if you're through the area just say, hi, it doesn't matter. Whatever will be there.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So also next Saturday, which is the 31st I believe of August. Let me make sure of that because I remember I had this down.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The 31st of August will be the fire tower lighting event across New York State. So all the fire towers across to your gate New York State so far will be lit up for this event where you can see them.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: If you had the chance to go out after sunset, there will be fire towers. It will be lit up almost like they were back 50, 60 years ago when there were once occupied by the Rangers of the stewards and stuff like that of the fire tower.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So really cool event. I've seen it at least three times so far when I'm panther mountain and saw it when I'm out on say I'm the sod and went on over look and saw it and it was one of the coolest experiences of my life.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if you guys are going to be out and about on the 31st, which is a Saturday night, check it out.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Be there. You know, Joe, I think they have some fire to like one or two fire towers over in the finger lakes region.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you cannot climb up to the top though. They literally took the stairs out.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_03]: One of them was actually refurbished by a group of volunteers. So I guess they just ran out of money and they didn't have the staffing to, you know, the volunteers to come by and said it won't endanger. I guess anyone going up or, you know.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is I think they're both in Allegheny State Park.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, it the cut and what's that or what's that cheesewalk in the blender.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Or what it's actually two and a half. So even though it's technically like a local hike, it's two and a half hours.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's I've actually been going down to Pennsylvania a little bit straight south about the same, you know, time.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: You can go to Hammersley wild area, which is one of the most remote places on the east coast.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the few places you can get other than like data on decks and the cat skulls where you can get more than five miles from a road.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I think, yeah, increasingly rare.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_04]: What was that? What was that name in that place again?

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Hammersley wild area. It's part of Susquehannock State Forest.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Nice. That sounds pretty good. Something called the Susquehannock Trail System.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: The STS, it's roughly I think it 80 mile loop. Well, only crosses like three roads.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The place.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that part of Pennsylvania where they have moose or elk?

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it does go by elk. It's not in elk County, but I think it's not far.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's that north central.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm talking about.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about the road.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if there's all back roads.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't even in, I was still in New York and I'm already on dirt roads,

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: going through these like men and night and omnisch.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Very quaint communities.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to definitely bring cash next time to purchase jellies and jams that they run out.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But now to your car, you know,

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_04]: trading beads.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Or sheds.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, get a shed and bring home.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: The whole community has to join in the raising of the shed.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, first.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so cool fire towers events August 31st.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Check it out wherever you're at.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Look up on the FFLA website and they have a New York State Fire Tower Association that you can check out.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And you can sign up if your, your local fire tower is not involved in this.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You can sign up to be there and let it up yourself.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Also September 21st and 22nd is the CM.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: The Cats come out in search of rescue wilderness first aid training class.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You can sign up online, which is at trailbound project.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Check out there.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You can sign up online and they're also having a CPR course is available as well.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Tad you got some info about this as well, correct?

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, after last week I asked you if you knew what the cost was and I stumped you on that one unintentionally right.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: But so I had our research staff checking to with this week.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And apparently the fee is a modest.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So, 2500 dollars you can pay by check and you need to make your checks payable to Jessica Russon of only on to New York.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Congratulations.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Justin.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Justin.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_04]: No relation I assume those.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, even though your last names are spelled the same lies.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to pay it to Jessica not not really that I think anybody would fall for this.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a 226 dollars that goes straight to the Cats go 3500 club.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It is especially for, you know, a wilderness first aid training that is.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of essential that you need I would think that's one of the ten essentials that you need in case you know you run into that problem on a trail that could be.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: A life threatening injury that you could take care of that could be a non-rath life threatening injury.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, definitely the next course that I'm looking to take.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, people people bring the tennis essentials or the 20 essentials whatever they pack and their pack.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what they bring in but sometimes they're lacking in the knowledge experience.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You use that stuff and be more effective in helping someone so it's a worthwhile.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Class to take yeah who knows you might be, you know, one of my, my friends was his wife was on the.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'll show and she sprained her ankle up coming to are coming down from sugar loaf.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And luckily he was trained in wilderness first aid.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So what he did was to splinter it and they actually walked out.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought that was actually phenomenal to do that especially is in the winter time too.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So you know, you never know what you would need for like everybody thinks they know how to do a.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: A turn of it but you really don't know how do you need to do a turn of kit until you get trained to do it because you just like, oh, just put it right here and put it tight.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not like that. It really isn't.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah and just backing up by sea and last week's DEC Ranger reports, the most common injuries that required Ranger assistance were ankle.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, lower leg injuries.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I just read about an ankle injury in the Adirondex.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: You read about probably like 15 ankle injuries so did I literally five minutes before I came on there was a post about the other latest in a series of ankle injuries.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 25 in the Adirondex though. Yeah, like it's insane. I just see I don't know if I feel like, oh, I'm just like, oh well done, you know, cat skills people for not being injured all the time, but so what's let's ask Joe that's question.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was at hiked all over the place. I suspect that there's fewer ankle injuries in the cat skills because the rocks or slippery or then elsewhere.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you find that to be true?

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Sedimentary rock is a lot more forgiving on the feet. I'm where very minimalist trail runners and in new Hampshire, in particular my feet started to hurt a little bit from the lack of give on the the granite and similarly in the Adirondex. So though that granted is so gnarly and old that it has different characteristics, but I feel like it's all out.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely is less forgiving on the you know ankles and yeah. So there you go. We got we're on to something here with Joe tonight.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so yeah around here like the Midwest basically like the trails are these perfectly graded clay and sand it's it's beautiful. I mean there's a lot of trail running around here.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. The reason people you know it's like a little different than right a lot of people train here. It's it's really cool that the people train here. It's stuff like good fucking can you hear my freaking dogs sorry I can oh thank god there probably picked up on here, but I do not know what's walking by but anyway so let's let's I mean we started off with the bang let's start off with an even bigger bang.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So we didn't cover this last time in Denning on October on August 5th at 330 p.m. Blue hole stewards requested a force ranger assistance with a subject would fall in office electronic skateboard is what's on the skateboard.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting on peak of most rip it up rip it orient rip itarian quarter so peak of moves road force rangers horn and Russo found the 19 year old from New Jersey in the parking area with the stewards Rangers clean the subject cut and wrapped a deep wound above his name before helping him back to his campsite we're decided to seek further medical attention on his own God bless America.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's a long pause after that one so apparently peak of most blue hole is becoming a skateboard park that's going to be eating into this right an electronic skateboard nonetheless.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been seeing bike tires and strange areas like where a bike shouldn't be able to ride I'm wondering if it's one of these like new motorized sort of half motorized the e-bike.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're pretty powerful those e-bikes.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they are you can travel 25 miles an hour for you know 30 miles that's pretty crazy.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have a cool thing that once went home in the snow from the health care facility and it was you know good 10 12 miles.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_03]: He almost died a couple times but I'm thinking frostbite in the snowstorm right he was he's a skier so he was all you know decked out goddolls and so it was nothing was like sitting on a chair left it.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's reminded us so that's just another day you know another day.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Crazy stuff once again happening in the in the cat skills but thank god, it's not ankle injuries every five seconds like there is up in the at around X.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So you know one thing I wanted to talk about was there was an 89 year old hiker that survived in the Idaho wilderness for 10 days so this was a little while ago.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It was August 15th so we're talking about it like a stock photo of a hiker.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that guy 85.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_04]: That's actually an AI rendition of me you know with 20 20 plus years on on my age that's what I'm going to look like.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, when I'm 80 nine and I set off for a five day hike in the woods and I don't come back don't come out looking for me okay.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so a quick to the only 19 pounds of gear 89 year old being album set off what it intended be a five day hiking trip so 19 pounds ultra lightweight for this guy for any nine years that's pretty crazy.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So instead he found and stressed self stranded for 10 days over 4 million acres of the salmon chalias national forest.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Tom the so many most rugged places in the country besides Alaska according to local search and rescue some of the peaks over 8000 feet 20 miles traversing the out by forest.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of the time they said that they traveled by horseback helicopter drones looking for this guy he was missing on August 6 and they started began rescuing him the day off by land and air ground teams searched a forest for acres.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Lasering a possible trails in which could be found drones were flying over looking for heat infrared Idaho National Guard had a private pilot with a helicopter to the search.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They could not come up with anything had zero traces for him five days and local residents from the Colsard County or Custer County surrounding area came in together and joined in and they are very small community they usually stay off the mountain because of just.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So the way that they are the older generation but they came together in this instance and went out look for him.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Two days after that on the final evening of search but they were going to call everything off a group of local rescuers discovered albums camp according to the sheriff's office.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Now after the search for album in the surrounding area is local residents on horseback found him safe in the early mornings on August 11 so six days later basically he sounded found him virtually unscathed.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I was only a mild dehydrated and sore from the sheer distance he had traveled on foot now once again they didn't have much with the family or album but just a phenomenal.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So the whole time saying that he just had a few supplies five days worth of food stretching out for that far is absolutely phenomenal.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: They dealt with Air Force rescue and Coast Guard rescue and such so once again on amazing.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then time that you can think that you're out there in your your gone but you survive basically on water that what's the thing you can survive three weeks on water right well.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess it depends on a lot of factors like the heat the humidity how long you can go with without food and hydration but what I one of the many things I found interesting about this story.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Is when he sat out on this trip and maybe one of the reasons why his pack weight was only nineteen pounds.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what he was eating stash the whole trip you know what his food supply was.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I was going to say I was going to say what it was just to make you feel good beef jerky insulted nuts that's it that's all this guy was eating so maybe that's like the key to longevity what do you think Joe.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Be very able to create some kind of pemic and out of the nuts jerky found some edible I mean summertime right to found a berries.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean I think that's how they could be found a youth could be right.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: 89 freaking years old yeah I mean he'd a younger person probably couldn't survive that so I mean he's.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Not all they would have been to lie on Instagram and stuff yeah these big is a legend.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean 80 year old legend.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we have to hear from the man himself I think yeah we should get him on the show.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean has absolutely nothing to do with the cat skills and that's what you think Joe do you think we should get him on the show.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah did he deal with not lines out there and Idaho.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah definitely not lines what brand to beef jerky see just bring one flavor or different flavors.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah was it just the standard what's that brand they have and all the guests slim gym slim gym that's the original beef jerk is it's cool so.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah is it the original and that's why the sodium content yeah was what did it with the salted nuts.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah yeah yeah that it's an iodine iodine to pure.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And we were watching 80ocracy we were laughing about electrolytes but guess what yeah you start thinking like bang things.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: What did where do he get that name though?

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know where he got his name presumably as parents but now we know where Microsoft got the name for its search engine right that's what I was thinking.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah yeah I'm just like how did this guy get the name thing yeah he could be like a multi million earth he sued them for some type of copyright and first cousin Google is like a multi.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah right and it's just in the jeans.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: It's in the jeans.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Mildly being hydrated yeah well and after after eating all that beef jerky and salted nuts I'd be to.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's just it's crazy so he said something and so being being a good.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He is missing for 10 days and he's got like this big search party out for him and one of the things I don't think it's getting the headlines it deserves is for the past eight weeks.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_04]: There's been two astronauts stranded in the international space station because the.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Boeing star liner that took them to the space station apparently is too broken to get them back.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So they're they're waiting until early September when one of Elon Musk's vehicles will be in the area.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Is cyber truck.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah swing by and give him a new burle left home.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Almost like he's early.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah crazy right yeah I hope they have their DEC fishing passes with that.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Good.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: The lower fishing for asteroids.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah the DEC will pick you up if you don't have a piston.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Fission license because they'll rest you if you're in outer space but you can print we now know that you can print out.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_04]: DEC fishing license no matter where you are.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Right you remember that from last week Joe.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Joe didn't listen that week before is yeah it's what all right.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go the time before though they caught the hef right yeah he said.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: All right but this is an abrupt end to your appearance tonight hold on hold on.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't hear that I don't know.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm wrapped up door good so yeah so.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Unbelievable once again that guy survived in 10 days and then there are people calling in and they had a rendezvous when they have a cramp up on.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And halfway up now Marcy to get a helicopter freaking rescue got it.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd seriously don't know how to I'm glad I don't go to the end run next I couldn't take that shit I'm sorry.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it can get very annoying I actually turned around on Algonquin trail and I was put it in my stories on it's a grab I never did a post on it but because it was just kind of like too many just the amount of people are going to be in winter and they were specifically saying like.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You know because we had such a warm winter it's sort of into that shoulder season already so like be careful where you hike.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I specifically picked a trail it was pretty rocky I didn't really have to worry about a rodent.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: More of the you know sort of organic matter but I mean it was there were like literally going to be 300 people on the top.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow based on the groups I was counting and then I found out that it was some kind of a meet up.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And they pretended specifically to be in separate groups apparently from what I could.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, ascertain and I was I want no part because I turned right around.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But probably all the Rangers.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, because that's like the DC guidelines is what like 12 10 to 12 people right or 15 15 something like that like 10 to 12.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I think wow.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah and then and this woman was like yeah we come weird a big group but we come we separate into I'm like that's not you know.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of against the spirit of what they're trying to do.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say that.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Hudson Valley hikers are ripman, winkle hikers or whatever that other what's another group called.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Tad.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know and I'm not ratten out anybody.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm on the worst man.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I do too much.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So low hiking I come across people on the trail all the time I'm outnumbered.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_04]: They could take me out pretty much high solo to.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't do a.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to offend because I don't want to have to rely on.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So random.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're talking about the Adirondacks unfortunately.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the story is once again that these pieces of places are become overpopulated overused and such like that.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And one of these places of course is old for to I've always I've always thought that for like 20 years.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That this place is just going out of control and it's before for me right that's fairly close to it's like a hour and a half hour like hour 45 minutes.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's it's in there the people think it sits it's the Adirondacks but it's not it's a southern Adirondacks very very southern tip.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: This is like the it's southern tip but three black bears had to be put down due to.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: There's two female or female bear in her two cups what I just you know I wish I had something to say but it's absolutely insane.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just and the same thing happened two years ago they put down a mother and one cup.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and old words too.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah feeding bears.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I've had co-workers tell me the things like that and I'm like do not tell me these things.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I do not want to.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's I'm gonna you know like that's exactly how a bear gets aggressive.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why have to put them down?

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Why is it that they can't be relocated to a more remote area?

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I was wondering and and two million acres of forest that they can't be relocated.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: They feel that these bears have become so domesticated and dependent on.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: They're not really super than food that they wouldn't survive that they would suffer.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And a more remote and wild area or that they would just return because to a bear.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_04]: What's 100 miles.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's that thing I don't think 100 miles is a freaking significant difference if you relocate them above the high peak.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially from old for all four you go all the way above the high peaks.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You're in absolute wilderness.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I mean with with the DC of course you can go to the you can think of the most remote goddamn places that these people have been to.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they're the other days I wrote about they do normally try to relocate them.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Not just once but several times I wonder why.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's they just left that part out of the story.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean they make it sound like the Ranger I'm going to call this snap decision decided that these bears were too aggressive and they needed to be.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't even say you thinized because that would be appropriate that they were killed.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because because.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, I think is the term they use yeah.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Crazy.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just you know and of course this is once again goes with the principles of education that we need to educate people how to store their food and stuff that people just leave it outside of their tent or even leave it in their tent at these places or.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Or they just try to walk up to the barren off of it to the bear to get a photo.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, a fucking photo you know it kills me it kills me that this stuff happens and you know in the cat skills every time that I come upon a bear that bears looked at me for a split second and run off as scared shitlist.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But up in the other on decks it seems like they're like oh you're a human let me get some food from you bro.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're known for being very smart.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, all right, stop and Joe are you saying the bears in the cat skills.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Or intellectually challenged that what I just heard Joe I made you just earlier you told us you didn't listen to last week's show.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so you obviously lied on your guest application to get on tonight and now and now your trash talking are beloved bears in the cat skills.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: All right we can we can move along.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I love the fact that I can bring a lighter bear can into the cat skills actually I mean just I have never ran into any bears anywhere.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: What I've run to a lot more bear sign in the cat skills.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but yeah apparently they're supposed very timid in the which I guess is why I've never seen them because.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, this by pretty extensively in the cat skills and.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I've seen them run across the road. I've had one of them up in Polish ledge that I've met that just kind of like grazed at me and sprinted off and then won on plateau mountain that saw me crossing the trails and freaking like ran into a tree.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like I felt so bad I'm like oh my god let me help you and they're like oh shit, I think it'll be never mind.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I've got I had some cool photos of some claw.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_03]: A paw.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Prince paw tracks in the winter they looked really cool.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah no actual bear there that was when the person was supposedly put and was at the kid cap bars in the canisters.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_03]: All right for that.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_03]: What happened there?

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that was apparently a thing where I was told then.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty reliable source that when I was on like I was Friday and the canister the cap was off this person who's in a position to know.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Things that a bear and take in the top of the canister looking for a kid cap or.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow god bless America.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like these people are like the Russian people who like want to interact with their and want to wrestle bears and just like hey you know what do you want to fight me go ahead let's fight bear.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was just thinking of those videos that they play usually yeah for that part of the world and it's.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, let me take you on if you look at the comments too it's like 100 like that's awesome and then like one person.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't reason being like this is probably not something we should try to you know from a courage yeah like hugging and kissing and you know feeding bears with your hands.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so we'll go back to your comment maybe maybe Joe the the hikers aren't as smart as the bears.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Where where is that.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the cascals.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that the hikers and other plays aren't friendly, but I don't know I didn't maybe it's because I'm from sort of that part of the state that I feel almost like at home when I'm in the cascals but it's I feel like I just make connections with people.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, some guy that I gave me a ride because I didn't want to go the steep side back down north dome.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I met him on Cheryl and him and his friend and then they gave me a ride in my car all the way spruced it and then I met him the day I finished on slide mountain.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow and he was like two away from finishing his 35.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_03]: What a coincidence.

[00:35:48] Yeah.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy yet.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: What was the fellow's name?

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to remember.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I cannot recall.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't written down somewhere.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I just believe that's the segment here.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Not at all.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's phenomenal.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's happened a lot of times.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Another time this couple for Connecticut gave me a ride home because we were on the top of Hunter was the same day I met Ted actually and I was enjoying the sort of pre sundown and then I'm thinking like my car is all the way down.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, what is that like three miles?

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like three to have miles.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah they were parked by Becker Hollow.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So they were like, you guys come down with us and little did they know that they're parked in like the town Hunter and that's like 45 minutes long haul all the way around.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_03]: This huge mountain.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But then we went up going out to that pizza place in finitia.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's real.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we don't know.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was another like I've never randomly met somebody in the Adirondix like went to dinner with them.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's happened to Connecticut skills.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's it's I don't know though the cazzicles have a different vibe.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a very, I don't know if it's the woodstock sort of connection but I feel like it's very summer of love out there people are.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Joe summer of love.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, like like in this.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, not that way.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean maybe it's wonderful.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So did you guys see the the Aurora that happened after my, after my bedtime?

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh exactly same.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And you said it was like four in the morning you saw something right?

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I know I didn't.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say that I saw it.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I went out there and I looked at the perciets.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I took a picture and I saw a little bit of green in my photos.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't know if it was just, you know, just because of my, myself or in her such.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But I, the photos say show a little green but I saw at least 10 to 12 perciets in a matter of 12 minutes.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It was beautiful.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's absolutely phenomenal.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, this occurrence that keeps happening we keep seeing Aurora more this year than we have seen in the past 12 to 15 years.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just absolutely phenomenal.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know is it, is this going to happen more often? Do you think like is it?

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, a lot of extra.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I read an article recently.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the beginning of the end times.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Snaush.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Our days on this planet are numbered.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to be taking the bowing starliner to the space station.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She's not the way to think of it.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But he come on.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Think of it that you're seeing the Aurora man.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to go all the way.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't get into the air.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I sit in there or something like that.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's pretty cool.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And people up north.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This place is a fascinating planet.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we kind of live in that that awesome area of New York state where we're tips

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: so low to where it hits us at decent times.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And then once it'll create wow we'll get in a clip that kills the economy and stuff like that.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And everybody's overloading the internet and stuff.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that was pretty cool.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be cool to chat about this really quick.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this going to happen more often?

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It will.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get some really cool solar flares that's going to hit.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, mother earth and then projected beyond Calgary and onto us that we get very rarely

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, this is one of my bucket list.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's to go up into, you know, the Canadian Rockies, Icelanders, and see this right above me.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That's just the ways that you see on.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Bucket list thing.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I feel like any in these dry areas you're going to see them better.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously because it's so overcast here.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Dad, that's on your bucket list.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that do you have a bucket list?

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You said you've got a list.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I did my stuff when I was younger now.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I would, I would vitariusly through my two daughters in this podcast.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Ridiculous and Joe's Instagram stories.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_04]: That's it.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_04]: My wife and I get a fresh beverage.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_04]: We sit down Sunday night, pull out the tablet.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You up Joe's feed and just sit there.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It takes about 20 minutes to go through one of his story boards.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you can do this live.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I spent a lot of time on the stories now that I do on the actual post.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of funny because I have a core group of like 10 people.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_03]: 5 to 10 people that like follow it pretty regularly.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, you know, let me just make because I'm very lazy when it comes to editing.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I don't have a YouTube channel.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just like, let me do this cinematic experience.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Take the great American song songbook and put it to all this beautiful scenery.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And it sort of is meditative like today.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just posted just like the sound of water.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, yeah, yeah.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I did that a couple weeks ago when I went up to, well,

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: cataryskill falls.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_04]: That's like, stop talking about it.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was pretty cool.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty cool.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's a techie.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Why not talk about the rattlesnakes?

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's talk.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's rattle on to the rattlesnakes story.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a rattled.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a rocker.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll just double in in.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So go ahead.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, me.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you want me to talk about the rattlesnakes.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_04]: She's.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Rattle snakes moving further and further away from the Hudson Valley over the last few weeks.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And environmental conservation police officer Osborne, who is a member of the DEC division

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: of law enforcement, wildlife response team responded to six separate rattlesnake complaints.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Five of which were at the same Delaware County residents.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_04]: How do I live there, Joe?

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Something about Delaware County.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Delaware County.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's down in Staten Island.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_03]: There's people who are taking on my Facebook, oh, my family down in the New York City area.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_03]: They're being plagued by.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Apparently was a thing here in Rochester 20 years ago.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyone that had a pool they would find copperheads in.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But now I may be because of the bald eagles.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But apparently apparently in Delaware County.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_04]: There is a rattlesnake problem.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Mainly at this one house in Delaware County.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So on July 22nd, a town that handcock resident reported a timber rattlesnake near the front entrance

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_04]: of his home.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_04]: The officer responded and safely removed and relocated the snake.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Then on the 29th of July August 5th in August 11th, Osborne responded to the same residents.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Or more rattlesnakes, including a possible mating pair.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: What does that mean?

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: The mating pair.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_04]: They're a matching pair, Joe.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what that means?

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Mating pair of rattlesnakes?

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have a clue.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: They usually do like a snake ball.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, a snake ball.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I checked this last year.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when I first moved up here, I was one of the first things I saw when I started hiking.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the things I'm going to see.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Is this like an old man?

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully you had like high boots and gators on.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_04]: What was this really?

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to find basically a road stop trail.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I stepped into a snake ball when I was out in the western cat skills.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: You threw one of those.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it was one of these grobes of ferns that's as high as your shoulders.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you're going through the ferns.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Like parting them.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Like in the Amazon forest and Vietnam.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you're parting them and you put your foot down.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And it feels different than the earth when you put your foot down.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So what do you do?

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You look down.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You see what your foot is in.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_04]: What type of snake is this?

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_04]: They were just like black snakes.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Like nice.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a great piece.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It was freaky.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So the rest of the day every time I came up to one of these fern grobes,

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I'd bushwacker around it because I just couldn't do that again.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So officer Osborne on the snake responding team.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_04]: He's gone to this house now four times to remove,

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_04]: to safely remove the snake and relocate it back into the wild.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So here we learn that if you're a snake,

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_04]: going to the same house in Delaware County,

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_04]: the DEC is going to remove and relocate you no matter how many times you come back.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But if you're a bear up an old forage,

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_04]: you're going to be destroyed.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So the public is reminded the leap snakes loan

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_04]: observes snakes from a safe distance and call

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_04]: the DEC's division of fish and wildlife for assistance with removal.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to turn it back over to stash with us, buddy.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm on with you.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It just at Flavigaspi how much these snakes are migrated, sort of like,

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I've West because I think more of West is along the Delaware River area.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a little bit more rocky, so they're following more the rocky areas

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: among the captain such like that and they're not going up north towards Albany

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and stuff like that that we've heard of yet.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So you know, when Albany you have that trip park, you have a lot of rocky areas.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of there's a lot of there's you know,

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: there's snakes all over the place.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_04]: We down here in the gunks we have rattlesnakes, you know,

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_04]: timber roundawers.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when I lived in new plots they would say if you go up on the

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_03]: shallow going to grudge be careful if you're going out and doing this sort of

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Buddhist, you know, meditation thing up on the cliffs like this.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So we don't we don't tell people about that.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, they're you know, I've been on many a hike out here real.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You'll hear them.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, one time I was hiking through a golly it was no water than ten feet.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably with the the rattleer was off to one side but not completely off to one side.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you had to walk within three feet of them to get by.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, but no, I don't knew they obviously only way to get through.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't turning back.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I'd come too far.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So I've experienced.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, bears and wild boars more than I have experienced for

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: else things here in the real.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really not over over and then Arizona.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That one I live in.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point to say that.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_04]: We're so I'll say this we're so fortunate in the in the cat skills because I couldn't imagine being out in the wild and having a wild boar running towards me.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, oh, dude, this was a pack of like four or five.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This was a mother and there their kids.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just insane.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Great.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if Mooser ever going to migrate down into that.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I want to know.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get them.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we all know that you were the first to bring this up tonight, Joe.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So don't get me started.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It's we're digging up data and actually.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_04]: We have some interesting things that we're going to start reporting tonight about mountains.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Are we?

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you didn't see it.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I put it in the notes, stash.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we'll talk about that later.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Later.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Joe, thank you for shooting a shit.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Tad, thank you for shooting a shit really appreciated.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Break sea ice.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I really does.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I listen to some previous episodes and a lot of people were a little tense when they started up.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But then when we shoot the shit they were like, oh, this is this is awesome.

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[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So I wanted to bring up coffees and mentions.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to bring up Ionah for doing her all trails challenge finished.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations, Yana.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if she still listens to the podcast anymore, but Yana was a big influence

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: on my Catskill 3500 club stuff.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: She used to do the Catskill 3500 club to Anister, which she did an amazing job on as well.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And me and Yana are really good friends.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We still keep in touch with each other.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And congratulations, Yana, for your ultra-altural challenge.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking with Sarah in a couple weeks about this.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a big deal, it's an awesome deal.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You're working on that as well, right?

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm closing in on the end.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I can almost see how much come on.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I have not actually gone through the list and scratched off trails on the list.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just going by my tracks on my phone.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_04]: For Senna's Wides.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Every time I say I'm like at 80, 85% then I scan around and I'm like, oh there's another trail.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm getting so close.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I just this past weekend, I cleaned up all of the loose ends in the north-south Lake

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_04]: as a skirt man area.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm moving on.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm moving out of there.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank God.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I can see it, I'm getting to the point where I just got what I call the orphans to go around

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and pick up things that were left behind.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But they called the spurs and stuff like that.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, spurs.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes you get these trails that like they'll,

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_04]: they branch off to the left, the right, the north, the south or whatever.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they merge up again.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And so sometimes I've blown off one segment of those alternate trails.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And so like this weekend I was open to myself like and not going on.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll chat about that.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, all right.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll move down the list.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Joe, did you have a question?

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He had your mouth open.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just going to ask if the maintenance of those trails in the summertime.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_03]: These lesser, less popular, less used trails is that an issue with the

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: frikers and, you know, yeah.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_04]: That's a part of that snake ball story with all these fern grobes.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You sometimes actually on trail that wasn't a bushwell.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, no, that was allegedly allegedly on trail.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Allegedly.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep, on trail but the bushwack total.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes you'd rather be bushwacking between, you know,

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_04]: loan and rocky than on these trails.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, it trails.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_03]: They did a no heard bad.

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's not the only way to like sunny areas down at the bottomlands.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_03]: That's where the fern all.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where those weeds are going to just pop up.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I got all these sticky birds on my socks on.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw that.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Your sun socks.

[00:52:16] Yeah.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like navy blue, sleep.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Think they're.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they're, I think they're mildly irritating.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know if that plan is called, but it's all over the finger lakes.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_03]: When I first started training in Lentschweird State Park doing sections of the FLT

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_03]: when I did my first backpacking trip that I would wind up and this one,

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I was still wearing some cotton.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I like, I have a lot of shit ruined by those sticky birds.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You can not get them out.

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, nice.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm losing.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That was like the times of when we were kids and we went into those bird ox and stuff

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_02]: like that.

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You came home and you just took your shirt off and your mom was just like, what the, tell

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: did you do?

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, mom, they're bird ox.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I grew up in Brooklyn so we had nothing like that.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So I was maybe walking by the beach or something and like, you know, we call the

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: weeds.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It was really just like, I mean, I'm, you know, not really reaching the way of the

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: water.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't know if you can see that there's anything with a sticky or, yeah.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So once again, support the podcast by buying up as a coffee.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, if you mentioned the podcast on one of your hike, so we'll talk about you

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_02]: on the show and we'll give you a big shout out.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So, Joe, I saw you just chucking something.

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you have?

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_03]: This is just water but it has all my, my challenge stickers for the different challenges.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, show us the sticker from the podcast on their Joe.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I do have Joe.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I do have it on a now gene that's downstairs the kitchen.

[00:53:51] Okay.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that's good.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I know you do this segment of the show.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So I specifically, I got to see what I had liquor wise around the house and the

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_03]: best you could do is water.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_03]: A little, okay, a little thing of bourbon.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's reproved fighting cock bourbon.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you want to say?

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_03]: 103 proof.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_02]: What, but what was a fighting cock?

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't cock.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great value.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like one of the most less expensive bourbons.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really high proof and for some reason does not smell really like ethanol.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you say fighting cock?

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Fighting cock.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let me get the nice.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that name of that.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Great.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I wish they could have it stickers or something.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's got that right retro, you know.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it, dude, that's awesome.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I love when people come out with new stuff.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Tads got some coffee.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm doing it.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm looking at the fighting cock.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking up fighting cock and the first thing that comes up is a podcast that's been

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_04]: over the years.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, one bird, one microphone.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I just can tell.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so previous hikes, Jill.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go with you first buddy.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_02]: What did you do the previous weekend?

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm training for the Adirondacks and now like we were talking before and training for a big trip.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I've come up next year, but you have to pretty much train the whole year for.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So I wanted to do two kind of harder hikes.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I was in high tour, wildlife management area on Saturday.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That's basically the closest thing to a mountain within an hour of Rochester.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a few other select places I like to train in.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Then Sunday, another place I, you know, kind of openly is more known like high tour is.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But I can talk about is hemaloclake and cannandice lake.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's no called Rob's trail.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So basically hemaloccan cannandice lakes are two of the western bingr lakes through the smaller ones.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I've already crossed the road for me, each other.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go down to the bottom of the garage on each one and you do that twice, you can break 3000 feet of elevation gain,

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_03]: which is pretty much been my goal for training on these local trails.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you training for again?

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to the Adirondacks this weekend, and then next year I actually just put down a deposit on a trip to through the high Sierra.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_03]: A day backpack and trip to eventually summit Mount Whitney on the ice.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Is the big one, yeah.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Does that give you a guaranteed permit to hike Whitney?

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and they also have their own exclusive route that they come in from.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a longer, less steep way coming from the northwest.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So the next question is, you paid money, they have their own right route to get a permit.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So now I'm thinking, what you get a couple of sherpas with this too?

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that what's going on?

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that would be nice.

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I used to joke around when I first started shooting stupid videos of myself hiking.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I used to speak in this like this hotly British accent, you know, like,

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Shrip off, Shrip up, like where are you?

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going up like Porter and Cascade because, but yeah, that would be pretty sweet.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, I would never really touch one of those places.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, you know, I know I hear you talk about that a lot.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, yeah, I think the hike too, like something like Everest would be probably more interesting.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been going up Everest.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You're doing Whitney eight days.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So that sounds like an epic.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fabulous hike.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because you're going to start instead of hiking through the high desert, the entire hike.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to start in lush temperate rainforest for the first two days.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you're going to slowly acclimatize going up and down these different, you know, crossing these different rivers, valleys, gorgeous.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And then eventually getting to Whitney on I think day seven.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to camp.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the end of day six near Whitney.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And then with Alpax actually summit with Alpax, we also also have the option of camping on the top of Whitney.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_03]: If we want to, if the weather's wrong, it would be pretty cool and all just less cool in December.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But so Joe, you got to come back on the show after this epic.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, definitely.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do have to say I have to shout out, Mike Redomsky at a Buffalo.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing it.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_03]: He's partnering with a guiding company in California.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's going to be a group of people from Western New York, mostly from Buffalo.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Go on in this trip.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to mention his, what was this thing again?

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my doctor, my outside chronicles.

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it outside or outdoor?

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was going to say it.

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_03]: My first start listening to you actually.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought he was one of your sponsors because it sounds so similar to outdoor chronicles.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, his whole, yeah, he goes by outside chronicles.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He is, you know, I've taken a lot of classes with him.

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He was one of the people I shouted out when I did my 35 along with with tad.

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he gave me a lot of crucial advice early on.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Took like, you know, map and compass with him, not class.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's really made it different.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Then, you know, I'm actually going with him going on a group trip with him in three weeks to the Dix range.

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's good.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I'm working on the sewers.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, that's what I'm going to do this week.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to finish off the sewers.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I just have seward mountain left.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Fucking mud central dude.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was woo.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, going up.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm actually going to do a calcans broke because blueberry, I don't know.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I just had like images of me like breaking my leg on this one part where you're approaching.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I started at the very end of this last trip.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I did where I went from New Hampshire all the way, you know, through Vermont,

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_03]: at Iran, and it was like my last day of that trip.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And I realized, I was a few miles in.

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I had been camping for a week and it did not change the batteries on my head lamp.

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And the last time I did the Austin and Evans, I got back to the car at midnight.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, I this will not.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I do have a spare head lamp, but it's not as good.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I had these images of me like trying to change my batteries in the dark,

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_03]: switch out from the crappy head lamp to the better head lamp, which is probably.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And when I got back, yeah, it was very dim.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have probably maybe an hour of light at most.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, emergency.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I still had the other one, but it's not really as good.

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But Joe, don't you have a smartphone with the flashlight on it?

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Boom.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And there you can call SOS.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, call frickin' atorotic search and rescue.

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they'll come in.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can voice to out.

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: New York State Rangers.

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, don't bring you some double laser cripples.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You'll be all set.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: If I ever do need to help with the Rangers, I will never tell them I was on this podcast,

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_03]: by the way, because perfect D.C.

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_03]: They're trying to take over the podcast.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they've already done that.

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You're more of an hour.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You've already got a solo.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's take a shot.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Joe mentioned that once again, do five stars.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Two stars.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So Joe sounds awesome.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've been out to high-tore area and Italy Hill is where I went over.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I went over Conklens, gully, Italy Hill, then back up and down.

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you, I don't think you can even do Italy Hill anymore.

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the private land.

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Choose across the road.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think they're trying to do a rerout now.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Because there's a bunch of new trails.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that goes right by, I know it's about a winery that we got from free wine right there.

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: There's Haslet.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's the other side that you're talking about,

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: but from when you're standing, were you, did you cross like,

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Brink Hill Road coming off at night or night?

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We did because that's where our friend kind of like met us.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we met with that top of Conklens.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if there were maybe doing some logging over there,

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: but it was access was shut off and now I, in general, I think the Bristol Hills

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Joe's have a lot of issues both with trail maintenance and with private land.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to admit that was an excellent, that would be honest.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: This was my first backpacking trip.

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: First time I've done some backpacking, so you know,

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: we went up Conklens, Kully, we hit high tour management area,

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: hit Italy Hill, beautiful bushwacking experience because it wasn't well,

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: well, all the golden rods were sitting out and we were getting stung by bees every five seconds.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_03]: That happened to me in the whites.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I got stung by something.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, that happened twice on that trip.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I got to go out.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: At one point, yeah, like when I was going up Madison,

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I went up the Daniel's Scout, Daniel Webster scout trail.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And when I got to the ridge, my ears like twice the size.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm like, oh, no, no.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Also it was like 90 degrees.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm looking at like, he waves coming off the rocks.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, Volkers circling around.

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It was insane.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where we kept hydrated.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Two thousand feet in a mile.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's fun.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun.

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually like that stuff.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's perfect.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That's perfect.

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Very cool madness.

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when you're that high up above tree line,

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: on such a steep section, you know, it's very strange.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You kind of expect it.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You expect it though.

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And speaking of vertical madness,

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, one of the guys that contacted me through my, my,

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: my, my, not Instagram, but my email,

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Conon York said that he loved the vertical madness term.

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And that he's going to use it every time when he goes up.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It was that you went that turn vertical madness.

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Alex, my one of the guys I had on my podcast, Alex,

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I work with him and he seriously said it like five times today

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: when we did some dis golfing up on up on up on.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Bell air ski center, which wasn't even vertical madness,

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: but he said this is vertical madness when we went up 10, 15.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Skieslobs kind of are you know, we didn't even go up 10, 15 feet.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's an awesome guy.

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So recently I don't know if I mentioned this before,

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Ted, but I went up, probably mountain again.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I have, I don't know why I have limited amount of times on my days

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: off on Tuesdays, but I have limited amount of time because

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting dental work done.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So we went up, maybe my friend John went up,

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm going to go up, he's a slow guy.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I try to make it a fast time, but he makes it slow.

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But the cool thing is, when we came up to the crest up to the top,

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: he saw the view and was just flabbergasted by the view

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: overlooking the southern catskills.

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Could see everything.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, I'm going to mount Piska, slide mount

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and ball some double top gram.

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He was blown away and it was awesome.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, this, this, what was it?

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Thursday, last Thursday, I signed up for a

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: backcountry preparedness.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like presentation up at the Rogers Center in

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: like, I was the right outside of Norwich, Edmundsten,

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and Ranger Berkholder held it together.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And he actually was looking to get some

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: little advance knowledge from me from my search

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and rescue times.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I gave a little bit, he had everything

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: smacked down.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the Rangers are crazy with their stuff,

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're really good.

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They go lightweight totally.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was really cool to see some of the stuff he carries

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and stuff.

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The funny thing I found out with the Rangers is that

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: they just switched over to like,

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: moisture-wicking stuff after.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, 70 years.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: They were wearing cotton and wool up until now.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it was more wool.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were just, okay, that's polyester is what

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: they switched over to.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Is that because the, the state of New York,

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: like in 1920 bought a surplus of wool,

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Ranger?

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what?

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why Rangers never seem to have be oh.

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: They're all in jail.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I've never been that up close and personal with the

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Ranger to know, and we're not going to

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: inquire why you would know.

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right?

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: We're don't have to go.

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But what happens in the Catskills?

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, stays.

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Definitely.

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's why we're, that's why I think you're

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: with the one that referred to the Catskills is being

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: the place with the summer of love.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: We're piecing this together folks.

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: This is as Joe is Joe drinks some of that.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: What was that?

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Cock whiskey.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: White and cock.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I'll come in together.

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Catskills the place of love.

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Rangers and not having body over.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, stay tuned.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It's getting really juicy.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We're dropping some red crumbs here.

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That's definitely all right.

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So this gives me some easter eggs.

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's really cool on that.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I threw my, my two cents.

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just very little stuff of back country preparedness

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: that I knew.

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he said he uses a.

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Gators.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, he had to go with gators.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I go with shorts and the hit nettles and stuff.

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And people are like nettles.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: What are nettles?

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's like.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Man, because this is more up north.

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They really don't have nettles.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So they're not a thing around here.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: They're either thankfully.

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of thorns though.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The horns are big deal because of course they, they, they harvested the trees up there.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But nettles are, are thing down here and they had no clue what the nettles were.

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a good time.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to admit it was pretty cool.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Tark to talk with Ranger Berkholder and just to see, you know,

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: what's going on up in the northern areas.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully we'll connect further in the future.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we'll do some stuff with other than that.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But is there a way to identify a nettle versus, you know,

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: because I always see other types of similar or short.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So Joe, this is the technique is you break off the stock of the nettle at the base,

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_04]: where it comes out of the earth.

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you take the stock of the nettle under your nose to smell it.

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But you need to get a really close.

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: You need to rub it underneath your nose is you're gripping the stock with both hands.

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's how you, and if, and if you feel, if you can, if you can feel the smell,

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_04]: the tingling of the smell, then you know what's a nettle.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. That's the only way to be sure.

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So don't be deceived by fake nettles Joe.

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_04]: This is what we want you to do.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Break them off.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like I'm seeing American chestnuts and I'm thinking like,

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, this is you know, but I guess you guys got to taste it.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There are still us.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Nettles, you know, they have that special field.

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They have that special field of where you can see that this is basically.

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's always a rocky, like, tallest, like terrain that you can tell where nettles are.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And the remoiced, which is another reason it's weird.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't see them around here.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But exactly, you know, they do, you guys have rocky terrain up there.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. That is, but I have a feeling that there are more.

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: More trees like like more of the the pines and stuff like that up towards the finger lakes and stuff that kind of take over the the nettles where they're just in the in the in the short amount of soil they have the nettles thrive.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's whether the pines here because there's a lot of tree plantations here.

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder how much of the ever greens are just native.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, other than hemlocks, I know, ham Eastern Hemlocks were pretty ubiquitous through this area for a long time.

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_03]: That's good.

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: If you go to,

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It is, I think they pronounce it, Bergen Swap, B.E.R.G.E.N.

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's this old growth forest just west of Rochester.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like maybe, you know, 20 acres of this and it's all basically all hemlocks and just some burges where hemlocks have died.

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, supposedly this 10,000 year old, you know, more or less undisturbed swamp, which I guess why it was never turned.

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's probably surrounded by farms on this suburban street, you know.

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So they probably tried something.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I was in experiment.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Really straight, it's got the same feel as being, you know, 30, 700 feet.

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that skills of the heteron decks and you're in this swamp at almost sea level probably.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's, oh wow.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: That same feel of it.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_03]: In some cases more so, it's like walking on this carpeted, you know, almost squishy pillow.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, interesting.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So Ted, what have you done, basically?

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember you said you went to the great good old North South like area.

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so like I said, I went back up there this past weekend.

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I did have a different hike planned, but the weather forecast kept me from doing that.

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I just knocked off some little orphans that I had to take care of.

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I did bushwack up to North Mountain that was probably the best part of the hike on my way up.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It was fairly interesting terrain.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I hit the juvenile spruce grove from hell, where these small spruce trees that were like from knee high to just above shoulder high.

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_04]: They were just so close and tight together.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: There was just, I don't even think Jim Booton could have gotten through these.

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: That's just trees, right?

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they weren't even that big, but they were just so tight and interwoven.

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You'll look at my track, you'll see that I got to this one point where I just went in full retreat and doubled around.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was still hitting them.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I would estimate there was a few hundred yards thick, this small grove.

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: But eventually I made it to the summit of the mighty North Mountain and then hooked up with the ascartment trail.

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Which was just wonderful.

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And hike down to North South Lake and then picked up some little stragglers around there.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Afterwards, because I'm fascinated now with the rocks and terrain of South Mountain.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I read Robert Titus' right up on that, which is quite revealing for why it's there and why those rocks are the way they are.

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So it was fun.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So what else happened?

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, sorry.

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought it came out.

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Which you didn't pose drama.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so here I am.

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I parked at the shut road parking area.

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I got there very early around 7.30.

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I was the third car in the parking lot and this is the first and only time that I parked in that parking lot.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Every other time I've been to that area, I've hiked in from a lower elevation or bushed whacked in from someplace, whatever.

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But so I get there.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_04]: There's only a couple cars there.

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I go up by bushwacked and the mountain.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I hike down on the trail and passing through the parking lot again.

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a few more cars there.

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I hang out by my car for a little bit.

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Then I take off and I do these little spur roads and I come back around 1.30 to a clock.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And you can't say the parking lot is full because it's more than full.

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Because there's cars parked everywhere.

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: There's cars parked in what used to be like the driving lane.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_04]: There's cars parked next to cars that are parked in the driving lane.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like gridlock in Manhattan on a work day.

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. And so, but I get to my Jeep.

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I change my shoes, I change my shirt, I hop in the Jeep, I grab my key,

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I put the key and I look up and when I look up right in front of me,

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_04]: there's a fight.

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, a shoving match.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna call it a fight.

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But people are yelling.

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_04]: People are pushing and shoving one another

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and a very uncool way.

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And literally, I mean it was total chaos.

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm gonna get out and try to do something.

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm gonna call my wife first.

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So I had a signal like calling my wife.

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And when I'm on the phone with her, I'm telling you laughing.

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm telling you and I wish,

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and I didn't get this on video, we're recording because I was on the phone.

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But literally, this woman and a white, outie,

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_04]: as you see, is driving into the crowd of people.

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Literally, making contact with them with her car,

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: pushing them with their joys eyes, you're getting big.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Because this is what was going, I was like,

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't believe what was going on in the,

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_04]: they're yelling, they're carrying on, they're like,

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_04]: pushing each other and this woman with the car is driving into the rest of them.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I was astounded.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: If really are, is the end times?

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it is. It is.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And so just as I got my wife off the phone,

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm getting ready to hop out of the Jeep,

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: there was like this wave of sanity that came through.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And it all settled down and people backed off

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and they realized, you know, whatever,

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: that was just crazy, crazy.

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is why I, for the longest time,

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_04]: avoided going to that area.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Because it has such a different vibe

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_04]: when you go through there,

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_04]: of just this, you know, gentrified, urbanized,

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, outing the people that go there.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're just like oblivious to the,

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, what should be this like all in the fascination of where they are?

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: They're just, you know, oblivious to what they're going there.

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Literally I saw when I was out hiking,

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: near the falls on Sunday,

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_04]: but I didn't go down to the falls on Sunday.

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw it ready for this stash.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me get, I got to see your attention.

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not paying attention.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw two guys ready, ready.

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Two guys walking back from the falls with crocs,

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_04]: bathing suits and like blow up ducks around their waist.

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that, that blows off what I see now.

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, I was like, are you kidding me?

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But that was it.

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So now that I checked off those trails,

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I will not be going back until literally,

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: health freezes over because that's when I want to go to the falls.

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: When it's like, sub zero, maybe like eight degrees out.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, best time.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I won't see people walking around and swim trunks, crocs and,

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: nothing really knows.

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_03]: There's rose in waterfall.

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So, and where did you have to check off those,

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: those areas down below the north,

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I got wrote area.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was, I'm going to say it was kind of like to the south east of there.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It was just a random stuff.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It was actually, so I'm going to say it was forage.

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Did you have to go over the bridge?

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I did that last week.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I went there two weeks in a row last week.

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I hyped up from a pale andville

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and then back down the harding trail.

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, nice.

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good one.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And like I said, I got an early start from pale andville.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I hyped up.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I was somewhat oblivious to the parking situation up there.

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of the other stuff that goes on.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But this weekend,

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I love that out of proportion.

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_04]: It was just so, so weird and uncool that,

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, folks go there and they just have no respect for the area that they're in.

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And I just see this is, when I was at Cateresco Falls last weekend.

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I really had this impression that I was going to come around the corner

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_04]: at the bottom of the falls and see a bunch of vending machines.

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: One after.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, to be honest,

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I wanted, I've always wanted to do like a podcast from there

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: to get people to know the podcast to get people to get education about the podcast.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know how that would do.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, especially with what you just,

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, what you showed me.

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, you know, they would either toss the business card or something on the side

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and then I'd be charged with.

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You know,

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a,

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: everyone I smell colon on a high-income girl.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good indication.

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna get it.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know,

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: it just goes a one with a Bluetooth speaker.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You know,

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: that's like the 11th essential if you're a Cateresco Falls.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll call on in your Bluetooth.

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how you track mail lines.

[01:19:53] Yeah.

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, the right scent.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_03]: 30% of the time it works every time.

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Beef jerky scent is what I use in the wild.

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm very good.

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But, um, nice.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So Ted had a wonderful time.

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, we'll go, we'll go down to Cateresco Falls during the winter with our freaking, like, you know,

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: 8.000 crampons and stuff like that.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually thinking about attempting a single season 35er this winter.

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So I, you can do it.

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be fun.

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You're at least just a winter because when I spoke to the table at the meeting,

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yeah, I want to do a single season.

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, well, actually,

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: we don't have a patch for that, but they're like,

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: you don't go to makers anonymous.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: They have a patch.

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess if it, if I can't do the single season, I could always just do my winter.

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I probably, well, don't do it for the patch.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't do it for the patch.

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Do it for the experience.

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's, yeah, with that a doubt.

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The checklist is just there to have some sort of blueprint, you know,

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: for organizational purposes.

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the way I look at it.

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I'm really taking my time.

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And the 35er was really just me taking my time.

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm 46 because I started that first.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have a cascade before I ever had to in the cat skills.

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome.

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So do it, do it, do it.

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So also Catskill News volunteer.

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Please volunteer.

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: 3500 Club.

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be doing that this Sunday.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Catskill Trucru.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They've been doing some awesome work.

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Catskill Mountain Club.

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it's in our Jolly Rover Troll Crew.

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a friendly Mountain Fire Tower.

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, I saw Toss.

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so proud of the Devil's Path that they were doing some awesome work.

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So get out there volunteer one hour, a year, two hours, three or four hours can be an awesome time and can be an ad.

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Astronomical help.

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That was the word I'm looking for to the Catskill's and your local area.

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So awesome stickers.

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me know.

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll do something in the email.

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at me up on social media.

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Media.

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And then also, you know, camp Catskill has some stickers.

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to get new stickers.

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I just realized I'm almost out of my new stickers and I was just like,

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh shit, this sucks.

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's good stuff.

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, my Permeatherin and Piccadran.

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That's in my car right now.

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I bought ad camp Catskill.

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I got that.

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not to get a sticker but I already have a sticker.

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan, you are killing it with support in this car podcast.

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Nice guy.

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I smoked them for a while.

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He's so cool, isn't he?

[01:22:42] Yeah.

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So weather.

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So Friday, it looks clear.

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Starting 57.

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: High.

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Down to 55 degrees.

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe no wind at all.

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Saturday and Sunday looks like a couple rain showers, not even.

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But a high of 50 or a high of 63, a low of 55.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely stunning to get out and hike those mountains.

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Clean up on the trail to some trail time.

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, God, I had some cats go mountain history but we're like,

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know how freaking long we're in this.

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be like an hour and 20 minutes into this.

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what, you're blowing over the ML report.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You did the weather forecast.

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: The ML report is folks now where, you know,

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Stages doing his weather forecast, which is forward-looking the ML report.

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: What it is is M L is for the mountain lions.

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you've seen them, yeah, if you've seen a mountain lion in the Catskills,

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: you can get out there and take photographs of these mountain lions.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But they're actually going to be a little bit more dangerous.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's a very dangerous thing.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, don't be afraid.

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Joe knows he's an experienced hiker.

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: He likes all over the place.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Joe is telling you as he drinks his 103 proof.

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't sweat it.

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Just shout it out when you see a mountain lion and then we'll let people know where they are in the Catskills.

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So the following weekend everybody can get out there and take photographs of these mountain lions.

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So we can prove to the DEC that they're actually in the woods out there.

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen hundreds of prints in the nettle fields.

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for us.

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Onward.

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Joe, are you a tad or Joe?

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you a skier?

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I used to be a skier.

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I never actually wanted one of the things I want to do this year is cross country for the first time.

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so we are going to do some Catskill Mountain history with skiing because I am independent.

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So New York State officially described and designated they forever wild area of 236,000 acres in the Catskill Forest Preserve in 1912.

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So this, a compass is most of high p.i. peaks in the area and usually you can see this on the near-state maps of the blue line.

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: During the 1930s though various local groups ski clubs and towns and railroads and department stores began to promote skiing in order to increase tourists visits in the winter.

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Trails were cut for skiing by local citizens by the civilian conservation corpse, the CCC on private land.

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The first commercial skier to operate in the Catskill was Simpsons Memorial slope, also known as the Finesia ski center.

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you ever go down to Woodland Valley area, you cannot see this because it is overgrown now.

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's off to the left right when you begin towards the area and it's actually really cool to look at on the maps because it was the first ski area in 1935 without an uphill lift.

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So basically you had to climb up to your top to the top of yourself.

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be a sport that's going to be an event at the next winter Olympics, by the way.

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He's skiing in the winter.

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Oh shit.

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the the host country gets to choose a local event, like a local sport as an event and the Italians apparently chose ski mountain here and there apparently the top.

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: They will kill it.

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So after that, in 1949, Bellair ski area.

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: ski center was opened to New York State's first chair left now. I was there today and it's crazy how they will thought put in millions of millions of dollars to Bellair's

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_02]: ski.

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: As recently as 1999 the Catsco region had nine ski centers, it's a big for 300 Bellair and wind up but you know I want to include platicle in there because I got to admit that ski center is freaking one of the most phenomenal ski centers.

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But there also this was back then little six Bobcat ski center which was over in the Mount Piska area, Markerville area.

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi Mount which was off the side of Bellair.

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Sokil I wasn't really familiar with that.

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Tatter you familiar with Sokil?

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: No up until then I'm familiar and have ski every one you mentioned but Sokil doesn't ring a bell.

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: What about Cortana? Cortina?

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's over towards the Hunter Tannas real area right?

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it's right on the almost on the side of roundtopping catars, Gil Hipe.

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Scotch Valley which was over in Stanford and then Platicle.

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Only Platicle remains which I got a bit phenomenal ski center go there we might have been a conversation with them little later in the future.

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: There's still possibility that high Mount terrain as part of the new real estate for the Bellair will come back online.

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah so Platicle has usually 175 inches of snowfall per year.

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So that remains one of the highest area. Bellair 141.

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Wind them 105 inches and Hunter which is 85 inches.

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Vertical drop it extends as the most snow receives it actually sends down.

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So Platicle has 1,100 vertical and then it goes down from Bellair to Hunter which is 1600 vertical.

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So as we see that these bigger areas receive less snowfall the smaller areas we see more.

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully these smaller areas receive more impact like I mean I don't know about wind them wind them civil private area.

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll leave that out but Bellair is getting a lot of money from the state but the trails aren't seeing a lot of money so that's a little disappointing.

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Well when when done doesn't have to show a profit because it's piggy banked by the state of New York.

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But just go back to was also owned by the state.

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, some center Hunter used to be owned by the Slotsky family who were also the folks way back when you cut the slopes at Bearpen in the 50s and then they worked out a deal in hunter man.

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: But when you next time you drive into woodland valley and you go by Simpson ski hill on your left there is a narrow red building it's two stories it's an irregular shape.

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_04]: At the bottom of that hill and that's one of the old lift houses that was for either a J bar or a T bar but you can see some of the the old slope still.

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_04]: There are not completely overgrown but that was quite a popular thing way back when people would come up from the city on the train and ski at Simpson hill stay in finitia in the nearby areas.

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's phenomenal. If you gotta go super slow to see that though.

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: How fast should you be going down there?

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Good point. Can't take the Tesla 90 miles an hour down through there so you want to get a new machine.

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing match for anybody.

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. Awesome cool stuff. I was going to I had a whole thing about about the scary but it unfortunately I didn't have it on the cell phone that I could get it up real quick.

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[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's get on to the guest of the night.

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So tonight we have listener spotlight, Joe T or Joe.

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you say?

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Two tonic.

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus, that's what is that originate from?

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'd like to say it's the Italian name that means German in Latin with a O at the end set of a US.

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: What Jesus?

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a little bit too much.

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know you get it.

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so Joe is going to talk with us today about his craziness of going all throughout New York state with his,

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: his patches, his challenges and stuff like that. He has been everywhere and everywhere.

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So Joe, welcome to show glad to have you here.

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much. Great to be here.

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I can't wait to hear about this all about the New York state because, you know,

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Catskill's figure lakes is my area but anywhere else, you know, you had then.

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So why don't you tell a little bit of background about yourself, sir?

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm originally from New York City, Brooklyn Southern Brooklyn to be exact.

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just about the flatest place and also the interestingly enough, one of the furthest places

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: you can be in New York City from Manhattan.

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of lived out in the boondocks even though I grew up in New York City.

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I technically grew up in the equivalent of a small New England fishing village known as sheepset bay.

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's today it is a lot of goody condos and really built up compared to what it was.

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But I remember driving to the local movie theater, for instance, and seeing like literal chickens like in the road

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_03]: down by what we call the end down your emmins Avenue in sheepset bay.

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's, you know, there's a lot of history there of it being really rural areas,

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_03]: essentially the breadbasket in New York City.

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's sort of this weird mix of being an extremely urban area that has this rural past

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and blue not had a national park right in my neighborhood growing up because I

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_03]: ligrap right in your gigway national recreation area, which is basically a bird sanctuary marsh

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that goes from New Jersey to eastern along Island.

[01:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And so but you know the highest elevation game in these trails was like maybe 16 feet.

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's, you know, when you move upstate and which I did just as COVID was getting started.

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, started doing these nature walks everybody was doing and I done a little bit of hiking

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: in my 20s. I did live in Hudson Valley in the cascals in my 20s, but I had no idea that there was this hiking,

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, kind of peep bagging world.

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't, I thought that you to do something like that. You would have to live in Colorado

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: or somewhere in the west coast, you know, I knew I did some hiking in the gongs with some local people.

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember going back a few years later and trying to find these same like this beautiful waterfall.

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And like buying a map at like a gas station and like not even getting, you know, half a mile from the road.

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So fast for over 20 years, it's COVID. I'm in my 40s and starting to get interested in the different types of terrain that you would see in,

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, this area I live in Rochester now.

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's sort of the finger lakes, it's the western finger lakes though. So it's a little bit more,

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_03]: you definitely get the flavor of sort of the Midwest here, the Great Lakes which I think a lot of people think of the Great Lakes as being very industrial.

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_03]: You think of a state like Michigan people think of Detroit, Motor City but they don't really understand it like these areas near the Great Lakes and the finger lakes too are these sort of like,

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they call Michigan like a sportsman's paradise. It's lots of forest. It's some of the last, you call Frontier land on the east coast and it's a very interesting place where

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: once you go right outside of the Rochester area just within an hour should drive all these towns have their own little backcountry,

[01:36:30] [SPEAKER_03]: which is pretty cool. You find these, you know, tree farms and then some, you know, usually public lands.

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It's usually in a form of wildlife management areas and then when you go further down the southern tier, there's more of really what I would call like more wild areas.

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Salomek is the only city in the United States that's located on an Indian reservation.

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the whole city is least from the Senate, the nation of Indians.

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's pretty interesting. You don't really think about that when you think of, most people think of New York City.

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. That includes, I think, you know, maybe a lot of people who haven't been out this way. It's a totally different world it is like, and for me it's really paradise because I found a new hobby to do in middle age that, you know,

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_03]: resulted in me being in better shape than I was, you know, my 20s probably.

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And so when you moved sort of like north when you started cascading, what got you into hiking? What was your initial, like thing and just like, hey, I'm going to start to in this ship.

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Really it was, I started watching this YouTube channel called Adventure Archives. It's a group of friends from Ohio and they do these trips and they've done mountain Whitney.

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They've done a lot of peaks, but mostly just friendly. These nice weekend backpacking trips and that's what maybe start thinking about, you know, going out more and then I kind of discovered a lot of the Adirondec YouTubers Brian Hikesl Day. He does a lot of hiking the Catskills too.

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Jay Morrison, Jonathan Saharic and these guys were a lot of the, a lot of times they were day hiking, which for me was a little bit of an easier, you know,

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_03]: the old trails than I before and was hooked. Like once I got up to a bald summit for the first time, and I saw Lake George down there and even though it's only 2000 feet above sea level, it's actually the same elevation as the hills that I trained on around here.

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It gave you that mountain experience, you know, was this rocky bald summit with almost 360 degrees and yeah, that is something that you cannot ever package your bottle.

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You can only get it, you know, it's not the same if you drive like I've been at the top of Pikes Peak, you know, I took the Cod railroad up there. It's not the same, you know, when you work for it and the challenge is really, you know.

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So you want, you start off with that first excursion up to the Lake George area and then eventually you start hiking all over the state.

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You've been the finger lakes area and central New York. You've been over to the Allegheny mountains in the Allegheny park.

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Pat skills, the Outer Rondacks. Yeah, I really tried to, you know, go to these overlooked areas that I mean it's it's in my interest because these are places that are more convenient for me to get to but a lot of them are these really overlooked areas that like I said they have fire towers in some cases, you know, very challenging terrain, you know,

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: In other cases, you know, it's very accessible. It's this whole wide range of hiking that it's sort of, I the Bristol Hills where I do a lot of my hiking locally.

[01:40:21] [SPEAKER_03]: There are about an hour south of Rochester and I refer to them actually as the little cat skills because they, they kind of resemble these rounded, you know, it's sort of the northern terminus of what would you call like the Allegheny plateau.

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is last little bit of these, you know, mountainous hills coming out of corn fields out of nowhere seemingly and I've, you know, some places I found I've talked to people of live five minutes down the road and they have, you know, the never even thought unless maybe they happen to hunt or something like, oh, I figured to go up there into the wildlife management area and, you know,

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, getting involved more with the bigger legs trail do and trail maintenance which I've done.

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Think three full days of trail maintenance this year.

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah twice with the FNLT roving trail crew, which is basically just like wherever they need help, they'll just send an email out. Hey, we need people in Africa, you know, next Saturday.

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Twice with them and then once with joined ADK the Adirondic Mountain Club, once with them, which is the, it's a little genacy valley chapter, which is the local chapter of ADK.

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And you really start to learn the area and love the area.

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, one of these trail maintenance was just like rebuilding a bridge like, shall I do nothing about it? You know, so I'm basically just like, well, I, you know, I've a strong back. I'll just be your mule and all right.

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the bags of cement and, you know, push the wheelbarrow and you know, I learned a lot about engineering from doing this things and you know, that's one thing I love about hiking it's this multi-disciplinary.

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I've always looked at, you know, areas where you can kind of big picture stuff and hiking really gives you a little bit of everything.

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Where there's, you know, and you could take as much as you want, you can get it challenging as you want, whether it's in the, you know, going up in the Rockies or, you know, going on some some gorge hike in the finger lakes, it's, you know.

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So, of all these places you've been, you know, where, where is it? You can't get enough of that terrain that area and why is it that you're drawn to that particular mountain range or wilderness area.

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a good question. I would have really had to say, I mean, in some ways I really love the cat skills.

[01:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just kind of far for me most of the time, so I can't get there as much as I would like.

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Locally, definitely the Bristol Hills hands down.

[01:43:06] [SPEAKER_03]: There's places that I still haven't explored there. There's Clark Scully. There are. I still have a good one.

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with the Rob Ladder. Yeah, talking to this like 80 year old guy at the gym the other day who had just done it with, you know, like a couple of months ago.

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_03]: What his kids and his grandkids, and he was talking about scrambling up the side and, and he was pulled on some root or something to help himself.

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Came off and he fell like he slid down like 10 or 15 feet and if he wasn't caught by a tree, he basically would have been like dead. He says,

[01:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We had some nylon old nylon rope that we replaced when we did it with my friend Chad. It was pretty crazy.

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I know the 12 Walls Trail in high-dore also has some type of improvised rope that the DC does not maintain. It's just some guy tied a rope up there.

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: What is it like clothes line? Is that what the strength rating is?

[01:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They really have some pretty good, some people take care of those amazing Clark, those gullies up there that they were in the morning.

[01:44:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I ran into one guy that was actually repelling down one of the sides of the gully one day.

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, you know, just some kid like he would repell down and then kind of scramble up. There's like maybe a class three rocks rambal go and back up the corner.

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And he seemed a little bit offended that I didn't want to just strap the harness on and like, I mean, I was in the middle of one of these sort of ultra long days that I was trying to make a certain time.

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm also like, I just met you and, you know, I don't know if I want to go repelling down a cliff.

[01:44:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was a couple of beers like he wasn't drunk but like it was kind of like he was like, come on, what's you know, he's doing this solo.

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, totally solo. His dog was going nuts was always bullying him when he would repelled down. Yeah, he was tied up to a tree.

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, this thing will hold 2,000 pounds. Like you don't, you know, you don't have to worry about anything and you know, just the idea of repelling down something like that. I would take a little bit more thought.

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why just jumped into it.

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: When you when you started like hiking and stuff, you, you, I, I followed you for a while now you've gotten all these challenges.

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of got you into all these challenges? Can you explain some of these challenges?

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So through what they kind of call YouTube, your diversity through that world I learned about this guy, Mike Radomsky outside chronicles and he created a lot of these challenges just to basically get people more interested in their local parks and hiking trails.

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_03]: As well as to raise money, he raises like thousands of dollars for each challenge. Wow, bigger lakes, trail conservancy.

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_03]: There's actually the search and rescue out. I don't think they cover Monroe County where I am but that's then Niagara frontier search and rescue they cover.

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe eight counties in Western New York and they're the only wilderness natural rural search and rescue in Western New York. So they're, they're it, you know, and they're, you know, I know that they showed up at a couple of the sort of after party events where you get your patch and, you know, so there's a lot of great and local hike and trail.

[01:46:44] [SPEAKER_03]: There's the Crescent Trail in Fairport and Pittsburgh right outside of Rochester. It's like a local sort of long distance style trail that links up a lot of these local parks and nature preserves and you know it's really amazing to think that so many of these people have donated land, you know,

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: so that that area is like, like those areas got into that those challenges stuff to outdoor or outside conicals.

[01:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so yeah, it was a lot of drive. So first of all, I didn't really understand what he meant by Western New York at first.

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't realize that the finger lake's trail end was kind of like the unofficial Rochester version of it.

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Or at least it was the time. So I did the, I did the Western New York challenge which involved a lot of short, easier trails and sometimes I'm driving, you know, two and a half hours.

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So now I just do like the ultra version normally and this winter I did like the finger lakes version which was more just kind of like the Rochester area.

[01:47:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess they didn't want to call like the Rochester hiking challenge, but it takes you more out to places like Naples.

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah nice. Now more in the finger lakes, but you know closer to like, like, you know where I am then, then more towards you.

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, and it's still going on. I'm on do in the ultra versions which are actually make great. I just didn't Niagara Gorge a couple weeks ago that's one of the ultra's.

[01:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And those are like 15 to 25 mile hikes that just have to be completed within 24 hours.

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Oh wow. You need your prize. Yes, there's the distance alone is so for our listeners who were downstate maybe in your old sheep said they, you're.

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Living in their posh, she condos down there now. Yeah. What challenge or ultra and central New York or western New York? Would you recommend to them as being worthy of, you know,

[01:48:54] [SPEAKER_04]: devoting a few days to driving up state, spending the night maybe starting early the next morning and doing this ultra.

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely, I would say my favorite is the Letchworth which whether or not was a challenge ultra. I would still do it every year is the Letchworth branch the failure lake trail.

[01:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And so tell us about that why why would somebody from you know sheep said they find it interesting and fun to drive up and doing the Letchworth challenge.

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I think even though it's in a you know, a state park and not necessarily wilderness area does give you a wilderness experience as well as some of the sort of.

[01:49:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when I did it, I actually brought a tent even though I had reserved you can call at the park and like reserve the there's two lean to's along the 25 mile trail and you actually have to call and reserve them.

[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I brought a tent just to be I think that New York City paranoia like I'm going to get there and there's going to be some kind of a mess.

[01:49:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Paul Paul Simon's going to be playing in the place he's going to be all crowded. Yeah.

[01:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so it's I like the fact that it's I think for somebody newer to especially backpacking.

[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_04]: They would be able to make the reservation. Oh, that's nice. So what's what's what's the attraction? What's the terrain like what is somebody going to see it's a really nice picture.

[01:50:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really nice for the most part there's a lot of old these old pine tree plantations like red pine.

[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of nice soft pine stuff that you're hiking on similar to what you'd see in other parts the country. So it's it's pretty easy terrain to me at the time it seemed like difficult just because there's about 80 of these little ravines that you have to go up and down.

[01:50:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a little bit of challenging. There could be some slippery more craggy terrain when you're going up and down these ravines, but you know for the most parts of very doable I did it with my father and law who was in his 60s we did it together has an overnight.

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've done it since then as an ultra just as a day hike.

[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So either way I would say if you were maybe more athletic minded to do it more as the ultra but it wouldn't be fun either way like I still do back to.

[01:51:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Last one just what are falls correct? Yeah, there yeah so there's the three main ones there is the upper falls middle falls lower falls you do get a view of the middle falls from there's a separate overlook blue blaze trail.

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Right from where most people start which is parade grounds, which is also a very historical place it's where the civil war soldiers would drill.

[01:51:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And actually from the area and there's a big you know commemorative plaque and everything over there it's why they call parade grounds.

[01:51:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And again you find out these little things about these places and these you know citizens conservation core amps that you know people may or may not know about very few people know that parade grounds I found it's also not an entrance that's normally used by people.

[01:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a small parade ground and also you're getting the view of so I would suggest even maybe checking out the tmortory port of Lechworth which is on the west side of the genesis river.

[01:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And because the FLT is actually runs on the east side of the river which is like the more wild part of the park you're not going to have all these rock walls protecting you from you know going over a cliff or something it's it's a lot more raw experience of.

[01:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: The sort of a pittamy of even though it's not a finger lake per se it's like a great little slice of finger lakes and really what that whole area is about which is a lot of where you're you know.

[01:53:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you know you're going to have to go up to go to the corner.

[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so.

[01:53:15] [SPEAKER_03]: When I do those you know hemlock and cannudized lake hikes which a lot of the hikes I've been doing lately are just ones that I kind of make up you know.

[01:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So with there with their challenges.

[01:53:29] [SPEAKER_02]: What what are you going after what have you completed and what have you go and go after.

[01:53:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so I started I did the Western New York winter hiking challenge was the first one I did and then after that I realized it was going to turn into like the kind of the western or driving challenge because of well these miles I was covering.

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: After that I started just strictly doing like the altris so it was I think I'm going on my third year of altris and winter.

[01:53:58] [SPEAKER_03]: This past year I did the finger lakes winter so and they and these are an annual thing so it's it's time to be you know they have like there's sort of three season challenge western New York and finger lakes dual challenges.

[01:54:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And then in this you know the winter version which is usually less trails the driving can be sometimes sketchier.

[01:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: than the actual height.

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Because you know it's these are not I remember one time I was driving to the cat skills and I took the southern route.

[01:54:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, through if the guy like you know the old New York you know New York 20 US five I think it is or US 20 New York five and I was so happy when I got to the mountains because there was actually guardrails.

[01:54:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, because yeah when you drive it over by if the gun and that whole area you're driving along these huge gorgeous and there is nothing stopping you from going over it is insane.

[01:54:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Crazy so other than the the driving Joe what you know the most difficult challenge that you've completed or tried to complete but it was so difficult you haven't completed it yet.

[01:55:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah the 46ers is are definitely tough especially doing them solo as sort of a slower hiker who you know a lot of times the camping is not the greatest especially these more remote peaks.

[01:55:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And so just logistically it's pretty tough that like I said the last time I was in the sewers I did Donald and Emma so I started I think I was on trail at 8 a.m.

[01:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I got back to the car at midnight.

[01:55:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, stewards was closed that was a real man.

[01:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I caught the station.

[01:55:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and they just closed to the guy was like had his hands up in the air like I can't do anything you know.

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Well it's a.

[01:55:53] [SPEAKER_03]: The strong but yeah the 46 is tough.

[01:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean I started the 48 recently in New Hampshire that's going to be in some ways more challenging and some ways more accessible.

[01:56:05] [SPEAKER_03]: One thing I found weird in the whites was the on the accessibility side it's good.

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_03]: On the other hand there's this interstit I forget which interstit is that runs right along where I was on Madison where like I was above Treenland and I was hearing trucks like you know down.

[01:56:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah I was hearing Jake breaks like Madison you guys and feet up in the air it was amazing I was you know.

[01:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I can't remember on Madison that I that I remember that I forgot what that was called but.

[01:56:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I yeah was the Daniel Webster scout rail and then also on Franco in your rich going up.

[01:56:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it that was also the blue trail.

[01:56:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well yeah Daniel Webster was blue blazed and then I think the way I went up Franco and it was was the actual 18.

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah my my impression of the whites is.

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_04]: The hikes in one respect or a lot like the cat skills should park your car you start climbing yes whereas in the out of Rhondax you park your car.

[01:57:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you hike three to six to eight miles and then you start climbing.

[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it's totally the end of the day when you're tired and you have this one thing I found that the stream crossings are actually easier in the dark because your spotlight.

[01:57:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Your headlight just becomes like a pool light and you can see exactly where the D yeah.

[01:57:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And you can see whether what the first thing until.

[01:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah yeah you can see a lot better than the day.

[01:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So you've you've completed 3500.

[01:57:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct what number you you don't mind me asking.

[01:57:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember.

[01:57:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I.

[01:57:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Or three five seven I think nice.

[01:57:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so what else have you completed so far and then what else you said you're doing like the.

[01:58:02] [SPEAKER_02]: What is it the nine the nine air I'm not familiar with the at around.

[01:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure and that like yeah.

[01:58:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I think was the late George 12 I'm kind of like slowly working towards okay just as like just for fun like I was going to make cat mountains sort of another like annual tradition I figured let me try to knock out.

[01:58:23] [SPEAKER_03]: This year only did.

[01:58:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a read is or ever this and then there is you know a bunch more but you know I could probably knock them all out trying to figure out the best time a year to go there.

[01:58:35] [SPEAKER_03]: This year was really buggy.

[01:58:39] [SPEAKER_03]: God no and then you know there are also rattlesnakes.

[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah better do in the wintertime.

[01:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard a lot of like like you said we talked about earlier is that those the Serenac nine and stuff like that have a lot of rattlesnakes on the area Lake Georgia.

[01:58:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I think yeah late George is known for rattlesnakes.

[01:58:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that there is big of an issue up in the northern.

[01:59:03] [SPEAKER_03]: At around X I haven't heard much about.

[01:59:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Snakes up there but the Serenac.

[01:59:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the Serenac six.

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: The Lake Plastid nine there are so many of them.

[01:59:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that you know you could do this for you know and then when you talk about gritting and stuff I know a stash I know a tad is you're working on.

[01:59:24] [SPEAKER_03]: A grid right now right for the.

[01:59:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I finished that.

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_04]: About two years ago now and oh wow.

[01:59:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I randomly hike the mountains and you know I've kind of working on the just a hundred and all the trails.

[01:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah they all the the all trails the hundred highest and whatever suits my fancy I kind of after the grid I'm.

[01:59:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes not into doing another list so one thing I did kind of push myself for the.

[01:59:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The regular challenges that I've done like the winter versions of the local challenges is I so if you so usually go have to do like let's say nine out of 14 of the hikes.

[02:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll always make sure to do every single one usually there's additional bonus hike and if you do them all you get this sticker which says I hiked.

[02:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I hike them all.

[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice very ago yeah.

[02:00:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's worth it it's worth that extra effort for that.

[02:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty handsome.

[02:00:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah yeah this I mean this is what I use it works on just like I got it like a trophy up on my desk.

[02:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So that here's here's a good question for you because I run into this.

[02:00:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you ever find the charadom one of these epic adventures you're just like lost in the wilderness you're just completely away from it all for hours hours maybe for you would a day or two then you come back to the office.

[02:00:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And people ask you well hey Joe what'd you do this weekend and you start telling them what you did over the weekend and you realize they don't have a fucking clue.

[02:00:55] [SPEAKER_04]: What are those like yeah where you were doing what you were doing because these are people that never come untethered from a comforts of you know.

[02:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember being one of those people too and like why could kind of relate to that and it's funny I'd one coworker once asked me they're like nobody's making you do that like you just do that they're like you do that for fun.

[02:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah they couldn't do that like my my response is I do this to get away from people like you yeah yeah yeah.

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I go out there.

[02:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So Joe what has been your most difficult like yet.

[02:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You know a couple of the cascals were pretty rough.

[02:01:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I was saying a lot of them were rough and I got through them all I never I don't think I ever turned around on a cask.

[02:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like North dome for being relatively inexperienced at the time seemed like so crazy.

[02:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But I remember I didn't want to go back down that way.

[02:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: What you go where did you approach from from the devil's path where yeah from from Spruceton so what what year did you do that.

[02:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: This was I guess 2000 and 23 2003.

[02:02:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah yeah because what I've noticed is from about maybe 2021 there's just a beaten social path up that's the mountain and it's not what it was I remember the first time I went up from the devil's path side.

[02:02:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You spent a lot of time route finding because there's just so many rock out croppings and ledges it's hard to pick which ones going to be the right one to the height towards and then how you're going to get up that versus you get there in your realizers.

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_04]: No way up that doesn't too sketchy to continue on and then moving around but my last time over there was just you know it was just missing trail markings but it had all the indisha.

[02:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably seeing the same way to me at the time I don't think I was that attuned to following even a herd bath so I was kind of like rat finding up some of the ledges and yeah I remember just you know pulling on a tree and how it's in a great in my hand.

[02:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I'm just I actually was I almost turned around.

[02:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I remember if you had to show me where I was like I'm I made turn around like but I you know I figured it out it was so my my pro tip is when you get into one of those situations we're trying to get up and over a rock out cropping or ledge is when you're grabbing onto something.

[02:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And you realize it's starting to give way you need to pretend there's like a pack of mountain lions beneath you.

[02:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So you give it that extra effort to like pull yourself up and over and then I found it's is you're getting close to the top of that legend you need to roll onto your back.

[02:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Because then you can arch your back over the top it works really well but key to that is envisioning the mountain lions or bears.

[02:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Her suing you up that ledge and it makes it gives you like more of an adrenaline surge to get over.

[02:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's pretty much how I got up the corner.

[02:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: You're rolling out like a clown out of a circus car.

[02:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It works best when nobody's around.

[02:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to admit that's a tough hike you know I did that I don't I didn't even know I don't remember in 2016 and I started to ascend a little earlier than I should have.

[02:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just don't yeah I just hit ledges upon ledges and like like you said Joe I was a little freaked out of like wow this never freaking ends like I just keep hitting this and then.

[02:04:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And finally get talking I don't want to go back down this like how am I going to get back luckily I ran into two guys on shower and they're like yeah there's an easy herd path going down a 42.

[02:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: From here and they're like yeah we can give you a ride back to just for some time remember I was I was having some tow issues at the time so I was going really slow downhill.

[02:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Because my toes were just banging on the front of me and you know I was really happy that they were weighted for me nice.

[02:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I got there probably about 20 minutes after they did well.

[02:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I met that same which I wish I could remember his name but I met the same guy on slide he recognized me that's very cool.

[02:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the funny thing is like by the last winter I was hiking in the Catskills people were coming up to me and just saying like Joe nice.

[02:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I do popularly. I couldn't yeah it was weird it only happened a couple but it happened really close together where I started thinking like wow does everybody like no.

[02:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I better like be careful what I say you know like listen or spotlight let's put the spotlight on him damn.

[02:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you ever have you ever been caught in like a situation like a sticky situation where you're like man this is going to be tough.

[02:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and I think they say like every trail teaches you a lesson so as I progress I always will encounter that one thing where I'm like you know the thing is I'm usually solo so I'm pretty quick to turn around if I have to.

[02:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't really had to do that too many times maybe just in the winter but yeah as a newer hiker high tour when I like to call the crazy cliff walk that was the first encounter with death.

[02:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like this is but funny thing is I figured it out a lot of times when you figure these things out you're like oh okay.

[02:06:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So on this thing you don't actually walk in the actual trail you kind of just like scramble over the trees because like the cliff kind of tilts.

[02:06:50] [SPEAKER_03]: The trails like tilted down into the goal so but you're thinking awesome to walk on the trail but most people do is they kind of scramble over the trees.

[02:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I also know just most people do it in the opposite direction that I'm going and I think there's something with.

[02:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Doing it in that way it's all your little bit more in the trees.

[02:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Most people their dominant foot is their right side so that would be the side that's you know in more like on the that side where you can hold on to something.

[02:07:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah but yeah then you know I remember the first time I tried to gray in the at a rendezvous that was kind of sketchy and crazy and.

[02:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I was running at a time because there was thunderstorms coming and I remember I just had barely enough time to run.

[02:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I literally ran over the summit amount more sea and I ran so fast that I ran past the summit.

[02:07:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I had to go back to take my photo at the the plaque or whatever over there and.

[02:07:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember just thinking I want to get the hell because I'm thinking I'm the highest person in New York state right now and if lightning is going to strike anything it's going to strike this spot.

[02:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Right here you know and then you know descending down below tree line and then there's I think little more sea so then you go back up because I didn't go that way I came a long way around.

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: From but it shouldn't like on.

[02:08:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going down the main mars he trail yeah I went up.

[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they called show field Kabul and I actually I dropped my phone to on the way up I was charging my phone.

[02:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And the charging cable I think snagged on a tree branch and so I get I wanted these people like I will reflexively pat my pocket to like make sure my phones there and I'm almost at the top and one thing somebody told me they're like show field Kabul.

[02:08:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to go down it you just want to go up because it's too steep so I'm having to go back down show field Kabul and my phone was just laying right in the middle right in the middle of the.

[02:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And there was nobody there because it was crappy weather so I was the only person I the mountain all myself.

[02:09:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah I was that was really lucky and also like it was lucky that it hadn't started raining.

[02:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah right yeah before I and that was my navigation and everything I mean it's still basically you know I always bring paper maps with me but that would be that would seriously suck.

[02:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you use for navigation on your phone what app are you hooked up with I just I always have events and and.

[02:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Guy and I do use like especially guy occasionally but mainly all trails and I also make my my topo maps.

[02:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Using all trails.

[02:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's easier we still love your job we still have to show you Joe mentioned before that he looks at the topo maps and you know people I respect people that do that beforehand where they just.

[02:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You know just don't go on all trails and just say hey I'm going to do this like hey is my mark my mark Marcy really 18 miles long like this month again.

[02:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah one of my main hiking trail like main training areas right now is not on all trails it's not on at the if you're talking on trails it's only on my activities.

[02:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: My activities and I hope it says that way.

[02:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I use all trails you know for parking areas I look at it I see where you can park and then everything else I was just looking at topo graph of maps or such like that but like you know I don't.

[02:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I don't judge people I do actually never mind sorry say I do judge people that used the news all trails that it will explain but you know people like you Joe who like you know.

[02:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll use guy and stuff that's awesome that's fantastic.

[02:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I mean I normally if I'm in the mountains I very rarely have to rely on you know at this point I can pretty much just spot right.

[02:10:53] [SPEAKER_03]: There's not really a whole lot of actual bushwack and going on if you're just looking back up peak it's you know.

[02:11:01] [SPEAKER_03]: The bushwacking that I do would be more like around here which has its own which you know the cool thing around here is it's one of the easiest places in the world to navigate because.

[02:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: As long as you could see the water source that's nearby you know exactly like you know final letter would stay park I know the genesis river flows north.

[02:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like you know these gorgeous are like very easy it's just funny when I come I call it amateurs season in the fall it's like the time between.

[02:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: The hot weather and then hunting season you get all these people on trail people becoming up to me you know like totally lost.

[02:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And not just like I've gotten turned around before but like it's weird to be totally as an adult lost where you don't know how to get to a load.

[02:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But sometimes that's a good place to be lost I mean if you have a job you have a mortgage you're trying to save for retirement right you need to be to the office on Monday.

[02:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of nice and Saturday and Sunday to just have like no clue how to get back to your car.

[02:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That can be actually that's that probably the tougher part because it's pretty easy to get to the summit right it's like you're going to the tenant rule of up.

[02:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: What she had a plateau on the way up so Joe let me ask you.

[02:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: You come a long way over the last three four years.

[02:12:25] [SPEAKER_04]: If we've got some novices listening to this episode.

[02:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Why don't you give them your advice on what your biggest mistake was when you were starting out and what you learn from it.

[02:12:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good question.

[02:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I mean I would say there was a single big mistake that I made I think that you just kind of have to go out there and ensure that your mistakes aren't going to be like fatal mistakes.

[02:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean you're always like is that every trail teaches you will lesson you know whether it's you're going to run out of water or whatever it is you just have to be able to somehow have a plan be a plan C.

[02:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah I mean one thing I would say would be to have like and this is something I learned from syntax 77 he's a youtuber and he'll go out to a place he has a general plan.

[02:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And he says you know if everything works out I'm going to do this A B and C and but if it's not if I'm not making a time I'm going to do this instead you know and I think that's a good way to be.

[02:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Not to be so I feel like people they're just checking off lists that can be a problem and I think there's been like a record number of rescues this year in the atarondax for reasons like that were you know people think yes anybody can do it but.

[02:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You know if you're just anybody you have to kind of like become that somebody who could do it you can't just say I want to do it and therefore you know.

[02:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where they're having the right clothing and everything comes in and there's some things you're only going to pick up you know like the stuff I picked up from you.

[02:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And so with like even tying your shoes I still when I wear boots I still lay them the way.

[02:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you would send me a video to add about how runners place up their shoes to keep the heels back.

[02:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really have to throw runners because they don't have very been in inter souls in steps.

[02:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a simple thing just tying your boots to prevent your your heel from sliding forward.

[02:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But what what I'm hearing from you Joe is it sounds like before you go out you feed your head with the bunch of data.

[02:14:48] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, you two bros where you just don't you just don't look at somebody's cool post on Instagram and say if that person did it I can do it and then draw about to try doing it so you you would grab some intel before you went out and the other thing I'm hearing from you.

[02:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Is your kind of like a football coach you're going out with the game plan that this is what I'm going to do you know on third down if I'm not moving the ball down the field I'm going to run I'm going to this I'm going to that you know you've got your substitution ready to go which is good I found when you know is a solo hiker like you.

[02:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: That and more so in the early days of my hiking in the cat skills having those contingency plans already like built into my head.

[02:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, avoided me getting into some sticky situations right because you're you're still following the plan even yes well that's part of the plan this is.

[02:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: What happened or we lunched Rio's you know your family plan is right you know so what about what about gear did you when you were starting out did you make any gear choices that you regret the wish you would either spent more money on the gear.

[02:16:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It done. I've started out I fast like everybody else wearing boots in the summer time I mean I don't I think treor runners it's it's a new enough phenomenon that.

[02:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know I could kind of be forgiven for not but I it really didn't make a difference like all trees.

[02:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just starting to get chilly in the fall and I was ready to wear put my Gore text on and I put my feet into my Solomon Gore text and like excruciating pain after.

[02:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So and I forgot in my the only other shoes I have with the treor runners that had had a whole torn in the mesh so now I'm going up caters go high peak with shoes with holes in them on a pretty chilly very nice a very rainy was raining like an inch.

[02:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Power.

[02:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, uh, you know, yeah.

[02:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I was gonna, but the visibility was so bad.

[02:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The fog was, I was in a cloud.

[02:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: You, it just looked like you were stepping off the cliff.

[02:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I down there and I'm like,

[02:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: all right, let me just go back the way I came.

[02:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was having kind of trouble.

[02:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just really dark.

[02:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It was raining.

[02:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It was pouring.

[02:18:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like everything was soaking wet.

[02:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything my clothes were just, I mean, drenched.

[02:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I had, and then I thought to myself, I'm like,

[02:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: why am I gonna worry about finding my way back to where I came?

[02:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a, there's a snowmobile trail that encircles the entire mountain.

[02:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't need to, it's kind of like going to the summit.

[02:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're just going to the top.

[02:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Now I just need to go down the safest way I can.

[02:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't really worry so much about the map as much as just trying

[02:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: to find a safe way down.

[02:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's weird to me because I got to the cart was only like three p.m.,

[02:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: but it was so dark that the way I remembered it,

[02:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: it feels like it was three in the morning.

[02:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just a crazy, you know, that was that.

[02:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That was probably one of my craziest hikes

[02:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: that it actually kind of like,

[02:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you feel a little bit like traumatized afterwards.

[02:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So was you choose that you upgraded?

[02:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you would say?

[02:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say, oh, those trail runners definitely in the summertime.

[02:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And in the winter time, obos.

[02:19:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[02:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: The rest of the stuff are the best.

[02:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the first winter I I would actually get a little cold,

[02:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: my feet would be a little cold.

[02:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: These summer socks you are fine is,

[02:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: are they insolent anything?

[02:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, are those obos insolent?

[02:19:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Obos, they are.

[02:19:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I am 25 grams, I believe.

[02:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: This way, are you also invested in the Sherpa North Face

[02:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Middens?

[02:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

[02:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[02:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[02:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I was trying to eat like a Italian combo sub

[02:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: where my mittens on top of a table top.

[02:20:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Why'd you say this story till the end?

[02:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[02:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Italian combo mittens.

[02:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[02:20:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Like mayo, drinking some of that 103 proof

[02:20:16] [SPEAKER_03]: for the first time in the mountains.

[02:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how you eat it.

[02:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how you keep warm, right?

[02:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how they did it back in the 70s and 80s.

[02:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They just had beer on the half of the freaking mountain

[02:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and descended with the cotton.

[02:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[02:20:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And when you need to light a fire, you just, you know,

[02:20:31] [SPEAKER_04]: light up your air.

[02:20:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm bourbon.

[02:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The day it adults in an Evans, there was a group of people

[02:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: that actually gave me a beer.

[02:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: When I was eating my lunch, maybe that's why it took me

[02:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: to the Midnight.

[02:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Get back, could have been a big beer.

[02:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: With all these challenges, you're doing and stuff like that.

[02:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: With all these, this kind of exploration

[02:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: that you're doing throughout New York State

[02:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and then the other states that you're venturing over to.

[02:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you, what like a vice do have to people

[02:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: that that have a kind of like a tough time

[02:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: getting out of their local areas?

[02:21:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Just do it.

[02:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I remember the first time driving

[02:21:07] [SPEAKER_03]: into the Adirondex.

[02:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I my tire pressure light went on

[02:21:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and I had this image of myself being like stranded somewhere.

[02:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It turned out it was just one of those idiot lights

[02:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: that I mean the tire was fine.

[02:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember I drove more than halfway there,

[02:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: drove all the way home.

[02:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember I had my father and I actually go over,

[02:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because it's been, I'm probably 20 years

[02:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: since I've changed the tire.

[02:21:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's nothing else, it's good to start it about.

[02:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So I, and I practiced changing the tire

[02:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: just so I could go out next time with confidence.

[02:21:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess like whatever classes you need to take,

[02:21:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I think everybody should at least take map and compass.

[02:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're gonna go out on a trail,

[02:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand how you're not going to.

[02:21:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And those skills are obviously perishable.

[02:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So you gotta try to, I really have to make myself

[02:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: take out the map and compass sometimes.

[02:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that it's good to do it.

[02:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's good to do that when you're not lost right

[02:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: because how else are you gonna,

[02:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, you know where you are, right?

[02:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: From the GPS, so you know, track it, follow your progress

[02:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: on the map.

[02:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're too lazy to triangulate your position,

[02:22:19] [SPEAKER_03]: you can kind of do it more intuitively

[02:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: by studying the terrain.

[02:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's, I mean, there's even places in the Adirondex

[02:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: where you can't use a compass because of the iron

[02:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: or in the mountain.

[02:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So the one thing, I would say that more than anything else

[02:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: just memorize, you wanna be able to look at a mountain.

[02:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I know it's tougher in the cat skills to do that.

[02:22:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But you wanna look at a mountain and say,

[02:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that that mountain is north of this mountain

[02:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and I just use that to navigate.

[02:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[02:22:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[02:22:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Mapping compass skills are essential

[02:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: but not that hard to learn.

[02:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[02:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not for 10 minutes, that's all.

[02:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're fun to learn.

[02:22:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like when you learn it, you seriously feel like holy shit.

[02:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I can get out like out of a sticky situation

[02:23:05] [SPEAKER_02]: with this or just like damn, like you look at somebody else

[02:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and like can you like show them this

[02:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're like what the hell are you talking about?

[02:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, I can beat you in a lot of stuff.

[02:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah.

[02:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And just like the experience of,

[02:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean that's, you never gonna,

[02:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: you can't really learn that in a class

[02:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: but just the experience of reading

[02:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: the terrain being able to see.

[02:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, yeah.

[02:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You know a game trail or a hard path.

[02:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely.

[02:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes yeah, I mean sometimes I still

[02:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: if I'm kind of like daydreaming,

[02:23:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll wander and then you gotta just,

[02:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: don't be afraid of backtrack also.

[02:23:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a lot of people I think they get lost

[02:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: because they just keep going.

[02:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, you can go back to where you left the trail.

[02:23:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You can, that's not against the rules.

[02:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So as I think people,

[02:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: they're playing this game with themselves

[02:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: where they feel like they're,

[02:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: they have to do every single thing

[02:24:07] [SPEAKER_03]: that they become like obsessed.

[02:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they can admit that they've aired

[02:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: made a mistake.

[02:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Made someone a error.

[02:24:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to find it.

[02:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[02:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: The trips where you get, you know,

[02:24:20] [SPEAKER_03]: quite in nettles.

[02:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Those are the ones that you tell the stories about.

[02:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Not for you.

[02:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know.

[02:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree, you know that, you know,

[02:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you fail sometimes but, you know,

[02:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: those are the stories you might share with some other people

[02:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: that be like, well, make them take twice.

[02:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh shit.

[02:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I shouldn't like, you know,

[02:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I met a person on the trail that I had no clue

[02:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: had an impact wound from a stick.

[02:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: What do I do?

[02:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, oh, maybe I should take a wilderness

[02:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: first aid because I might meet someone

[02:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: on the two miles stretch of freaking plateau mountain

[02:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: where you have no help.

[02:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So.

[02:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any of them?

[02:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, it's just something I made up.

[02:24:59] Ha ha ha.

[02:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just something you know,

[02:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: we try to think of the craziest instances

[02:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that you might have run against.

[02:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And you gotta admit plateau mountain.

[02:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way for you to get a helicopter rescue.

[02:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You're, you're any far away, any trailhead away

[02:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: on the top.

[02:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You're down in Diamond notch,

[02:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: you're down in what's it called from the south

[02:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and then you're over in Mekala.

[02:25:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Something I really, you know,

[02:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: that's very impressive that you do search and rescue.

[02:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, thank you.

[02:25:31] [SPEAKER_03]: The get a call, you know, the middle of the night.

[02:25:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And head out, you know, it's that's that is.

[02:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So benefit of not having kids.

[02:25:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So stop you mentioned that you guys,

[02:25:42] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, you mentioned that you guys try to think up

[02:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: these weird and bizarre search and rescue scenarios.

[02:25:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Next time you're doing some training,

[02:25:50] [SPEAKER_04]: monitor run by the crew,

[02:25:52] [SPEAKER_04]: suppose a 19 year old guy,

[02:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: injures his ankle while riding is a electric skateboard.

[02:25:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Ha ha.

[02:26:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Blue hole.

[02:26:01] [SPEAKER_04]: What do we do?

[02:26:02] [SPEAKER_04]: What do we do?

[02:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: What do we do?

[02:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like throwing out to the old mountain lines.

[02:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just like.

[02:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Joe, thank you for joining us tonight.

[02:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: One last question, one last question.

[02:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Post-ite bruising bites.

[02:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: This doesn't have to be in the cat skills.

[02:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what do you suggest?

[02:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Post-ite bruising bites.

[02:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The time is correct.

[02:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's got a lot of unusual,

[02:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, stewards is kind of like the go to, right?

[02:26:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That is good question.

[02:26:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Monjo, tell us, you had to think of this before tonight.

[02:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And you knew you were coming on the show.

[02:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: You didn't know that.

[02:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, is it lately?

[02:26:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been bringing like leftovers with me on these trips

[02:26:46] [SPEAKER_03]: because I've saved money.

[02:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But tell you, in common, micro-weaving.

[02:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's funny.

[02:26:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The Italian combo was from a local finger lakes,

[02:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: pizza rhea and I was,

[02:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I told this guy said,

[02:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, this is going to be the highest mountain

[02:27:00] [SPEAKER_03]: of the highest sandwich in New York state.

[02:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good thing to tell them.

[02:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So anything loads of light up

[02:27:08] [SPEAKER_03]: get a free sandwich next time.

[02:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: What was that called?

[02:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: What was that place called?

[02:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's Puggies.

[02:27:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Puggies.

[02:27:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Puggies.

[02:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: They have their covered.

[02:27:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's total.

[02:27:19] [SPEAKER_03]: You go to the Candigo location.

[02:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all taxidermy.

[02:27:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Of like these exotic,

[02:27:24] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, like this,

[02:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: they do guided safaris.

[02:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, one more reason, Africa and yeah.

[02:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're not talking about the Puggies

[02:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: that's located all around the US, right?

[02:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's national chain.

[02:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's like no brick pizza.

[02:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I call it.

[02:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: brick pizza.

[02:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We had one here in O'Neill,

[02:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and you're staying.

[02:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't want to look.

[02:27:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to look that up.

[02:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Puggies and where?

[02:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Can a dig or a dig?

[02:27:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I did the I went and watched the solar eclipse from there.

[02:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[02:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't honey, boy?

[02:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It was completely rainy

[02:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and just I was in a freezing like rainstorm.

[02:28:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't watch the sunrise in the west.

[02:28:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Because my view is...

[02:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It was absolutely insane.

[02:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So once again, thank you to the monthly supporters.

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[02:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to everybody who was listening,

[02:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: especially Joe and his lady, his wife, as a wife?

[02:28:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my wife, Colleen.

[02:28:36] [SPEAKER_03]: She is all my gear.

[02:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: She is my main gear buyer.

[02:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: She can't go.

[02:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That I would never mind.

[02:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Points and all these things.

[02:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Does she want another husband?

[02:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So no, it would be way too much work.

[02:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you guys for listening to the show.

[02:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Glad we could have you on and Clyde.

[02:28:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You can talk about these challenges.

[02:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Get people out of their local area

[02:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that they can just start exploring anywhere.

[02:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So I hope you had a good time.

[02:29:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's good.

[02:29:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Good seeing you, Joe.

[02:29:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Good talking with you.

[02:29:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Can't wait to see out on the trail again.

[02:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But until then, I'm going to watch your epic documentaries.

[02:29:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I agree.

[02:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Hiker, Joe, and Y, right?

[02:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Hiker, John, Y.

[02:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Check it out.

[02:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[02:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's good to start it.

[02:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.

[02:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, have a good night, guys.

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